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Tim S · 14th Jul 2005, 19:34

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/07/14/agp_not_dead/

Da Dego · 14th Jul 2005, 19:40

Thanks for making my day for the moment, biggles.

Give it time, though. As much as I hate to say it, AGP will die. PCIe's ability for interconnection and simultaneous up and down throughput does make it the better evolution (I hate saying that).

I just wish we'd stop with the SLI crap and move on to a better render idea altogether. Who knows, maybe your next happy post for me could be "NVidia targets raytrace with it's next GPUs"? Well, I can dream, I suppose.

Oh, and update your bloody blog, will ya!?

Tim S · 14th Jul 2005, 19:43

I could do with updating my blog, yes.... been uber busy though, I'll have to try and find time late at night

Malfoleo · 14th Jul 2005, 20:01

Pfft! AGP! What a load of bollocks! Give me ISA any day! More then enough bandwidth for even the best of video cards (circa 1992)!

Good to hear AGP hasn't bitten the bucket yet, I like it, it's not white, and it has a neet little locky bit. What more could you ask for? I mean, really, come on, the locky bit is where it's at, yo!

Big_Den · 14th Jul 2005, 20:15

So there's life in the old dog yet ... Problem is, upgrading a mobo is the cheap part... upgrading a graphics card that £300 is the real prob

AGP for ever

Firehed · 14th Jul 2005, 22:24

boo agp!

I've heard it's over 2,000,000 SLI chipsets now, and that's only on the nvidia side. Not to mention NF4 and NF4U.

And as the poll is only on Abit boards, and Abit was VERY late to the AMD PCIE market, it's hardly an accurate representation.

Froggy · 15th Jul 2005, 02:51

Can't AGP just die already? Its dead in my books. My next rig is Crossfire

Yo-DUH_87 · 15th Jul 2005, 07:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malfoleo

Good to hear AGP hasn't bitten the bucket yet, I like it, it's not white, and it has a neet little locky bit. What more could you ask for? I mean, really, come on, the locky bit is where it's at, yo!

I just assembled a system for a friend today, it had a black pci-e x16 slot with a "neat little locky bit," what more could you ask for?

Before anyone asks, it was an Epox EP9xxxx whatever board, I cba to remember the actual product number (is it just me or are motherboard product numbers getting more and more insane? I miss the day when you only had to remember 4 letters/digits...).

kickarse · 15th Jul 2005, 14:16

Well that too and the upgrade point for motherboard manufacturers, like Albatron, who are willing to make boards that have our older socket's but with a PCIe 16x slot from the southbridge. This suredly will kill the agp slot. Because for me at least my CPU was more expensive then my video card and my CPU is fast enough but my video card is outdated in 6 months.

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 16th Jul 2005, 17:56

I was cleaning dust from my video card's fan and I noticed something on my agp slot. I took a closer look and I found this:

RotoSequence · 16th Jul 2005, 18:45

Cute photoshop, Cheapmod wannabe

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 16th Jul 2005, 18:58

Oh no RotoSequence.... You are incorrect! You should have said Cute image instead of "Cute photoshop". Repent your sins.... and maybe Migty Adobe® Systems® Incorporated® will not sue you...

According to this

"Trademarks are not nouns.

CORRECT: The image pokes fun at the Senator.

INCORRECT: The photoshop pokes fun at the Senator."

P.S. to Adobe® With the quote "Cute photoshop" I did not intend to disrespect Adobe® nor its respective owners, nor products nor anyone else... Please please do not sue me oh mighty Adobe®

Da Dego · 18th Jul 2005, 03:12

Nice disclaimer, cheap.

Tulatin · 18th Jul 2005, 03:38

Kind of interesting though, AGP came around when nobody could have possibly thought it's needed. PCI-E came about when AGP was starting to choke up.

18th Jul 2005, 04:16

I see AGP as being a mainstream component for a good while yet, all this jargon about AGP being slow and PCI-E being the next must have for everyone who is upgrading their system is overhyped as is SLi. The only reason AGP looks old is because technology evolves. AGP would be mainstream for much longer if software was programmed in a way such that it would take full advantage of the AGP Bus which 99% of applications don't due to developments costs and time. Either way its AGP for me for the next few years.

Tulatin · 18th Jul 2005, 04:17

And how exactly do you plan to use your new 7800GTX on your AGP motherboard?

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 18th Jul 2005, 04:35

I myself was planning to stick with my system for a year. [Athlon 2800+ barton, abit an7, geforce fx5900xt, 1256 mb of slow ass ram. After long sleepless nights of tweaking it ran doom3, HL2, FarCry, UT2004 at amazingly high settings/frame rate. Battlefield 2 though was already a bit jerky and no middle/high settings. I wonder if I will be able to play at least on low settings games that will come next... I will try to squizze 2 years out of my 800$ system. However after building good system (and benchmarking it) for one family I got so tempted to upgrade....

Especially when I have some cash laying around....

19th Jul 2005, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tulatin

And how exactly do you plan to use your new 7800GTX on your AGP motherboard?

There's no point in me wishing i had such a powerful GPU, it wouldn't change the way i experience games, expecially Operation Flashpoint, even a 7800GTX cannot play OFP fully, it's because of the way the engine is constructed. There's nothing an FX-57, 2GB Dual Channel, 7800GTX SLi system can do that a 1MHz BBC Micro can't - you'd simply die waiting for it to happen.

Froggy · 19th Jul 2005, 00:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sch1sm

There's no point in me wishing i had such a powerful GPU, it wouldn't change the way i experience games, expecially Operation Flashpoint, even a 7800GTX cannot play OFP fully, it's because of the way the engine is constructed. There's nothing an FX-57, 2GB Dual Channel, 7800GTX SLi system can do that a 1MHz BBC Micro can't - you'd simply die waiting for it to happen.

The 1mhz computer won't run windows.

19th Jul 2005, 00:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Froggy

The 1mhz computer won't run windows.

I was meaning more in processing terms rather than what software it could handle. Either way it's AGP for me for a good few years yet, i see no need or use for two GPU's and my next upgrade shall be an AMD 64 3500+ with a GigaByte AGP 939 Motherboard. Long live AGP. Something tells me it'll become a sore point before long.

14th Jul 2005, 19:34	#1
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14th Jul 2005, 19:40	#2
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Thanks for making my day for the moment, biggles. Give it time, though. As much as I hate to say it, AGP will die. PCIe's ability for interconnection and simultaneous up and down throughput does make it the better evolution (I hate saying that). I just wish we'd stop with the SLI crap and move on to a better render idea altogether. Who knows, maybe your next happy post for me could be "NVidia targets raytrace with it's next GPUs"? Well, I can dream, I suppose. Oh, and update your bloody blog, will ya!? __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

14th Jul 2005, 19:43	#3
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14th Jul 2005, 20:01	#4
Malfoleo I -am- demotivation. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,512	Pfft! AGP! What a load of bollocks! Give me ISA any day! More then enough bandwidth for even the best of video cards (circa 1992)! Good to hear AGP hasn't bitten the bucket yet, I like it, it's not white, and it has a neet little locky bit. What more could you ask for? I mean, really, come on, the locky bit is where it's at, yo! __________________ I play with fish all day. And take photos for your sick pleasure.

14th Jul 2005, 22:24	#6
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	boo agp! I've heard it's over 2,000,000 SLI chipsets now, and that's only on the nvidia side. Not to mention NF4 and NF4U. And as the poll is only on Abit boards, and Abit was VERY late to the AMD PCIE market, it's hardly an accurate representation. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

14th Jul 2005, 20:15	#5
Big_Den Minimodder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: South West UK Posts: 35	So there's life in the old dog yet ... Problem is, upgrading a mobo is the cheap part... upgrading a graphics card that £300 is the real prob AGP for ever

15th Jul 2005, 02:51	#7
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15th Jul 2005, 14:16	#9
kickarse Ultramodder Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Holyoke, MA Posts: 1,281	Well that too and the upgrade point for motherboard manufacturers, like Albatron, who are willing to make boards that have our older socket's but with a PCIe 16x slot from the southbridge. This suredly will kill the agp slot. Because for me at least my CPU was more expensive then my video card and my CPU is fast enough but my video card is outdated in 6 months. __________________ Top 5 Listening to Now - A Second To Last - Dying Against Your Will Rock Kills Kid - Paralyzed Zero State Reflex - I'm Splintering Hot Hot Heat - Middle of No Where - www.nerges.net

16th Jul 2005, 17:56	#10
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	I was cleaning dust from my video card's fan and I noticed something on my agp slot. I took a closer look and I found this:

16th Jul 2005, 18:45	#11
RotoSequence Lazy Lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 'States Posts: 4,529	Cute photoshop, Cheapmod wannabe __________________ Technology Schmecnology

16th Jul 2005, 18:58	#12
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	Oh no RotoSequence.... You are incorrect! You should have said Cute image instead of "Cute photoshop". Repent your sins.... and maybe Migty Adobe® Systems® Incorporated® will not sue you... According to this "Trademarks are not nouns. CORRECT: The image pokes fun at the Senator. INCORRECT: The photoshop pokes fun at the Senator." P.S. to Adobe® With the quote "Cute photoshop" I did not intend to disrespect Adobe® nor its respective owners, nor products nor anyone else... Please please do not sue me oh mighty Adobe®

18th Jul 2005, 03:12	#13
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Nice disclaimer, cheap. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

18th Jul 2005, 03:38	#14
Tulatin The Froggy Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,941	Kind of interesting though, AGP came around when nobody could have possibly thought it's needed. PCI-E came about when AGP was starting to choke up. __________________ Desky E8400 @ 4.0 1.42v; P5K-E WiFi; 4x1 Kingmax Mars 1066 @ 1129 CAS 5; 2x [TOO CHEAP TO SPONSOR] 4850 @ 675/1050; Enermax Liberty; WCing in a CM690

18th Jul 2005, 04:16	#15
Sch1sm Guest Posts: n/a	I see AGP as being a mainstream component for a good while yet, all this jargon about AGP being slow and PCI-E being the next must have for everyone who is upgrading their system is overhyped as is SLi. The only reason AGP looks old is because technology evolves. AGP would be mainstream for much longer if software was programmed in a way such that it would take full advantage of the AGP Bus which 99% of applications don't due to developments costs and time. Either way its AGP for me for the next few years.

18th Jul 2005, 04:17	#16
Tulatin The Froggy Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,941	And how exactly do you plan to use your new 7800GTX on your AGP motherboard? __________________ Desky E8400 @ 4.0 1.42v; P5K-E WiFi; 4x1 Kingmax Mars 1066 @ 1129 CAS 5; 2x [TOO CHEAP TO SPONSOR] 4850 @ 675/1050; Enermax Liberty; WCing in a CM690

18th Jul 2005, 04:35	#17
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	I myself was planning to stick with my system for a year. [Athlon 2800+ barton, abit an7, geforce fx5900xt, 1256 mb of slow ass ram. After long sleepless nights of tweaking it ran doom3, HL2, FarCry, UT2004 at amazingly high settings/frame rate. Battlefield 2 though was already a bit jerky and no middle/high settings. I wonder if I will be able to play at least on low settings games that will come next... I will try to squizze 2 years out of my 800$ system. However after building good system (and benchmarking it) for one family I got so tempted to upgrade.... Especially when I have some cash laying around....