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GreatOldOne · 15th Aug 2005, 12:44

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...Intel_Rampant/

MiNiMaL_FuSS · 15th Aug 2005, 12:48

anyone tried this yet? gunna see if i can get it runnign ony my server.
will get back to you all - but first im off to a beach BBQ.

kenco_uk · 15th Aug 2005, 13:18

Priorities against common sense - they never win.

Lowsidex2 · 15th Aug 2005, 13:38

So are these people just running a plain bare bones system? What do people do for drivers?

Atomic · 15th Aug 2005, 13:45

If only it was legal to install it, I have a nice machine here at work that would fit perfectly....

fev · 15th Aug 2005, 16:46

never fear.... fev is here!

i'll err "research" this further with some work of my own

Da Dego · 15th Aug 2005, 18:28

Come on, fev, toss up some 'research'!!!

fev · 15th Aug 2005, 18:43

just found my *legit* copy of vmware 5

K.I.T.T. · 15th Aug 2005, 19:43

you can imagine the apeal to server operaters.....imagine a server that never crashed, never had its OS core filled with crap, was so stable a nuke could hit it and it would still run, didn't have its presious resources used up by an over complicated OS.
it is true i think OSx86 would be great for any home server...more user friendly than red hat or any othe linux distro and easier to use. i don't however think it could cut it in mainstream servers as i'm sure red hat uses less sytem resources than OSx86 does...but i am assuming that since i don't know the facts......hell i could be typing what can only be described as verbal dioherra but anyway

Da Dego · 15th Aug 2005, 19:54

Haha...not entirely...OSX is a system hog, to be sure.

Much more so than a lot of server-bare level linux distros. But, it does run stable and is brain-death simple to use in comparison.

So, fev, how's it coming? Is it dual-bootable, or are you giving up a computer with an OS to try this? And is this officially tiger, or is it the original incarnation of OSX?

fev · 15th Aug 2005, 23:28

just got back in from the pub...needed a time out after the hard day at work and then finding OSx86..

I found my copy of VMware..(needed) so i'm attempting to run it through there first. Dual boot will come if A. it works in VMware and B. if it's speedy enough.

I'm hoping to get it going by tomorrow afternoon

*edit* nads i'm doing an all nighter on this bad boy!

Bindibadgi · 16th Aug 2005, 00:14

fev, what hardware you runnin it on?

fev · 16th Aug 2005, 00:15

as listed in my sig..

Update:

00:38: Uncompressing Darwin to VMware HD
00:49: Converting Mac OSX image to iso...
00:55: Completing PearPC steps before bed - confused bed @ 01:02

16th Aug 2005, 01:00

Here's some info on this topis ripped from HardMac

Booting Mac X86 on a PC

Initial problems

Several system prevent running OSX x86 on any PC:
1. TPM chips from Intel
2. SSE3-enable processor
3. GMA900-based graphic card to natively support Quartz.

First solution: VMWare

simply install VMare on ANYPC, and this application will emulate what needs to be (GMA900, SSE3 ...)
Of course this is only a short-term solution, since it is rather instable, and particularly slow.
since this morning one can find on P2P network an already configures VMWare image OSX x86.

Patches

Several solution have been found. The TPM is cracked, and no one needs it anymore. The SSE3 requirement, can be bypassed via quite complex modifications, and this case several kernels will not work since they REALLY need SSE3. A patch for those kernels is being prepared allowing SSE3 instructions to be translated into their corresponding SSE2 ones.
GMA900 can be avoided by modifying CoreGrapics, patches are also available.

The best solution: the right hardware

The best and the most secure solution is a motherboard from Intel: D915 GA, GL or GU :
http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/ux/

Excellent results have been obtained with Gigabytes GA-8I915P motherboard card:
http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard...5P%20Duo-A.htm

Users with such a motherboard and a Pentium 4 will be able to install MacOSX x86 with the patch for Rosetta (without the patch if you choose a SSE3-enable Pentium4).
Be careful not to use any HD in RAID settings, otherwise it will crash your system.
Use a USB keyboard, PS2 port is not really well supported.

First tests

First tests have shown that MacOSX x86 on PC is very reactive, no crash, iTunes is running perfectly, with Rosetta.
Digital camera work perfectly with iPhoto, as well as digital camcorder with iMovie.

Another solution
The last solution is based on installation of Darwin 8.1 on an HD from a PC.
Then, install the HD in a Mac, then installed all packs from the installation CD of MacOSX x86 via a software such as pacifist.
Then apply all patched, and place back the HD in the PC and reboot.
This method seems to work well on most Dell Dimensions.

sadffffff · 16th Aug 2005, 04:30

i must say, its pretty cool. runs VERY well, i would go as far as to say its funning faster on only 256mb ram than windows xp does. i had to run it like this since i only have 1 sytem in my collection that has SSE2, and its a P4 2.0ghz but the mainboard uses RDram so i couldnt add anymore since i dont have any. but believe me it doesnt even flinch with that little ammount of ram. cant run any PPC apps since i dont have SSE3 so rosetta wont run. seriously considering a 65$ celeron D that has SSE3 so i can play more.

umm err, that is to say im doing all this playing around in OSX x86 on a developer computer that i rented from apple and didnt download a torrent and install it on one of my junker computers *cough*

TMM · 16th Aug 2005, 07:04

theres a third way to install it which involves using linux to install it (afaics)
*cough*

sadffffff · 16th Aug 2005, 07:17

thats the method i used. except i used dd for windows instead of messing with linux

fev · 16th Aug 2005, 10:12

your own screenshots?

I'm starting up production today..continuing from last nights drunken attempts

Hamish · 16th Aug 2005, 10:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by K.I.T.T.

hell i could be typing what can only be described as verbal dioherra but anyway

bingo!

Da Dego · 16th Aug 2005, 13:57

C'mon guys, I'm lookin' forward to this. I have 2 old junker systems sitting around waiting for this bad boy, to decide whether this would be a decent dual boot.

Can someone give me the intel chip numbers with SSE3 on die?

15th Aug 2005, 12:44	#1
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15th Aug 2005, 13:38	#4
Lowsidex2 Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: USA Posts: 224	So are these people just running a plain bare bones system? What do people do for drivers?

15th Aug 2005, 18:28	#7
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Come on, fev, toss up some 'research'!!! __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

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15th Aug 2005, 19:43	#9
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15th Aug 2005, 19:54	#10
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Haha...not entirely...OSX is a system hog, to be sure. Much more so than a lot of server-bare level linux distros. But, it does run stable and is brain-death simple to use in comparison. So, fev, how's it coming? Is it dual-bootable, or are you giving up a computer with an OS to try this? And is this officially tiger, or is it the original incarnation of OSX? __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

15th Aug 2005, 23:28	#11
fev Corporate Whore Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Tesco - On Beanbag, Games Playing Office Posts: 2,880	just got back in from the pub...needed a time out after the hard day at work and then finding OSx86.. I found my copy of VMware..(needed) so i'm attempting to run it through there first. Dual boot will come if A. it works in VMware and B. if it's speedy enough. I'm hoping to get it going by tomorrow afternoon edit nads i'm doing an all nighter on this bad boy! __________________ I know what I'm doing... do you? Follow me on Twitter..go on Last edited by fev; 16th Aug 2005 at 00:04.

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16th Aug 2005, 00:15	#13
fev Corporate Whore Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Tesco - On Beanbag, Games Playing Office Posts: 2,880	as listed in my sig.. Update: 00:38: Uncompressing Darwin to VMware HD 00:49: Converting Mac OSX image to iso... 00:55: Completing PearPC steps before bed - confused bed @ 01:02 __________________ I know what I'm doing... do you? Follow me on Twitter..go on Last edited by fev; 16th Aug 2005 at 00:56.

16th Aug 2005, 01:00	#14
charl3s_fatal1ty Guest Posts: n/a	Here's some info on this topis ripped from HardMac Booting Mac X86 on a PC Initial problems Several system prevent running OSX x86 on any PC: 1. TPM chips from Intel 2. SSE3-enable processor 3. GMA900-based graphic card to natively support Quartz. First solution: VMWare simply install VMare on ANYPC, and this application will emulate what needs to be (GMA900, SSE3 ...) Of course this is only a short-term solution, since it is rather instable, and particularly slow. since this morning one can find on P2P network an already configures VMWare image OSX x86. Patches Several solution have been found. The TPM is cracked, and no one needs it anymore. The SSE3 requirement, can be bypassed via quite complex modifications, and this case several kernels will not work since they REALLY need SSE3. A patch for those kernels is being prepared allowing SSE3 instructions to be translated into their corresponding SSE2 ones. GMA900 can be avoided by modifying CoreGrapics, patches are also available. The best solution: the right hardware The best and the most secure solution is a motherboard from Intel: D915 GA, GL or GU : http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/ux/ Excellent results have been obtained with Gigabytes GA-8I915P motherboard card: http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard...5P%20Duo-A.htm Users with such a motherboard and a Pentium 4 will be able to install MacOSX x86 with the patch for Rosetta (without the patch if you choose a SSE3-enable Pentium4). Be careful not to use any HD in RAID settings, otherwise it will crash your system. Use a USB keyboard, PS2 port is not really well supported. First tests First tests have shown that MacOSX x86 on PC is very reactive, no crash, iTunes is running perfectly, with Rosetta. Digital camera work perfectly with iPhoto, as well as digital camcorder with iMovie. Another solution The last solution is based on installation of Darwin 8.1 on an HD from a PC. Then, install the HD in a Mac, then installed all packs from the installation CD of MacOSX x86 via a software such as pacifist. Then apply all patched, and place back the HD in the PC and reboot. This method seems to work well on most Dell Dimensions.

16th Aug 2005, 04:30	#15
sadffffff Hypermodder Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: sadffffff Posts: 676	i must say, its pretty cool. runs VERY well, i would go as far as to say its funning faster on only 256mb ram than windows xp does. i had to run it like this since i only have 1 sytem in my collection that has SSE2, and its a P4 2.0ghz but the mainboard uses RDram so i couldnt add anymore since i dont have any. but believe me it doesnt even flinch with that little ammount of ram. cant run any PPC apps since i dont have SSE3 so rosetta wont run. seriously considering a 65$ celeron D that has SSE3 so i can play more. umm err, that is to say im doing all this playing around in OSX x86 on a developer computer that i rented from apple and didnt download a torrent and install it on one of my junker computers cough

16th Aug 2005, 07:04	#16
TMM Modder Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,228	theres a third way to install it which involves using linux to install it (afaics) cough __________________ no, your face.

16th Aug 2005, 07:17	#17
sadffffff Hypermodder Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: sadffffff Posts: 676	thats the method i used. except i used dd for windows instead of messing with linux

16th Aug 2005, 10:12	#18
fev Corporate Whore Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Tesco - On Beanbag, Games Playing Office Posts: 2,880	your own screenshots? I'm starting up production today..continuing from last nights drunken attempts __________________ I know what I'm doing... do you? Follow me on Twitter..go on

16th Aug 2005, 13:57	#20
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	C'mon guys, I'm lookin' forward to this. I have 2 old junker systems sitting around waiting for this bad boy, to decide whether this would be a decent dual boot. Can someone give me the intel chip numbers with SSE3 on die? __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo