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WilHarris · 16th Aug 2005, 09:43

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...cards_roadmap/

Highland3r · 16th Aug 2005, 09:49

Erk October... these things had better be good :S
Maybe it was a mistake for ATI to take the top end cards too 90nm before testing on some of the lower models...
Wasnt planning on GFX updates until @ ~ october, but from their original launch date of July, things have slipped... Maybe its time to look towards Nvidia, esp if they can get SLI working on ATI based crossfire mobos...

K.I.T.T. · 16th Aug 2005, 10:57

that would be a big hit to ATI if Nvidia can get SLI working on Crossfire boards...i don't know about ATI going to 90nm cause Nvidia (or rather the companies that make the cards) are going to have to do it at some point. maybe ATI has also been busy working on the new graphics architecture they are implementing for the XBox 360 cause if it works well i think that unified pipelines are the way to go

Highland3r · 16th Aug 2005, 11:02

Nvidia is iirc, testing 0.09 with lower models first, not 100% on this though.
Indeed, if ATI have a working and feasible unified design then they might be slightly ahead of Nvidia at this point in time, though would assume NV arent too far behind with this.
Seeing as the GT is probably going to be the most popular card anyways, it kinda makes sense for ATI to release it first, however they might run the risk of loosing sales of the XT if people buy a GT and master card to run Dual cards.... Its an interesting time for ATI atm, they've kinda balls'd up this launch badly

Hamish · 16th Aug 2005, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Highland3r

Its an interesting time for ATI atm, they've kinda balls'd up this launch badly

indeed. although if r520 turns out to be a 32pipe high clocked monster im buying one

MiNiMaL_FuSS · 16th Aug 2005, 11:14

time to update my 9800pro....NEVER!

i've lost the hardware buzz these days.
Computers have been replaced wth being an Audiophile

yup it happens...

Asphix · 16th Aug 2005, 13:43

This same thing happend to Nvidia a while back with the FX line.. The graphics industry is so compeditive that I think its tough to stay on top indefinitely. On top of that, a small mistake can really set things back, especially with the expectations of the consumers in the enthusiast section.

I agree unified shaders are the way to go. It will be a while until we see that on a PC though. I say a minimum of a year (at least) since its much more difficult to program software for a PC than a single use (well.. thats only half true with the next gen) piece of hardware such as a console.

I dont think working on the x360 chipset is a good excuse though. Nvidia has been working on ps3 (although much less stress i'm sure due to a later launch). But all comparisons aside, if they knew they were going to be late.. just say "the card wont be ready till Q4 2005." I hate marketing ploys to keep interest.. lay it out honest.

If the cards are good, sweet.. but I think its good to see Nvidia take the crown for a bit that way ATI doesnt get too comfortable. This will just make ATI work 10x harder to re-gain the crown which results in consumer benefit!!!!

Da Dego · 16th Aug 2005, 14:14

Yep...they've balls'ed up this launch, but there will be others. I think ATI will rule the roost again for a little bit when unified technology comes to bear on the PC with long...vista. I'm not upgrading from my 6600gt until then, though.

infered101 · 16th Aug 2005, 22:41

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Originally Posted by Asphix

If the cards are good, sweet.. but I think its good to see Nvidia take the crown for a bit that way ATI doesnt get too comfortable. This will just make ATI work 10x harder to re-gain the crown which results in consumer benefit!!!!

The definition of competition my friend its a great thing. Great for us cause we get better and better products for (sometimes) cheaper and cheaper prices.

Guess ill be waiting till october till I get a computer upgrade. I mean look at how much better ati cards hold up compared to nvidea. I see more people with 9600's and 9800's playing newer games then people with 5900's and such. I personally play battlefield(on low) with a 9600xt. Yes its not the greatest but i know people with 5900's and can barely play them. Then again im kind of an ati fanboy so it might be be byist.

FIBRE+ · 16th Aug 2005, 23:23

They like taking turns to be on top

I only recently ditched my Rad 8500 pro (64mb) for a 6600gt, played everything ok apart from BF2 and HL2, been more than happy with both

For me it was Ati few years back, but gone with Nvidia recently, just seem to be more with it.

Heres the question tho, what am I gonna buy for me new rig before crimbo (top o' line)? (prob 7800 GTX)

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 17th Aug 2005, 00:05

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Originally Posted by infered101

I mean look at how much better ati cards hold up compared to nvidea. I see more people with 9600's and 9800's playing newer games then people with 5900's and such. I personally play battlefield(on low) with a 9600xt. Yes its not the greatest but i know people with 5900's and can barely play them. Then again im kind of an ati fanboy so it might be be byist.

much better comparing which..? 7800 and..?

I'm just kidding, I know what you mean. And although I am nvidia fanboy

I can say that my friend plays BF2 5FPS more with one setting set higher than mine 5900XT. Prior to 5900 FX series were terrible. I built one system for my friends (same cpu/mobo, less RAM and FX5700). Half the benchmark than 5900. Since I am 70% sure that I will not buy next release of ATI cards, waiting just makes me more curious of what the heck they will release.

blackerthanblack · 17th Aug 2005, 10:30

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Originally Posted by MiNiMaL_FuSS

time to update my 9800pro....NEVER!

i've lost the hardware buzz these days.
Computers have been replaced wth being an Audiophile

yup it happens...

I have to agree, I'm happy with my 9700np. Most games seem to be FPS these days which just don't interest me. The only FPS I have are the Thief games and Farcry so my hardware runs everything I need. Still interesting to keep up with it all though.

Tim S · 17th Aug 2005, 10:34

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Originally Posted by infered101

I mean look at how much better ati cards hold up compared to nvidea. I see more people with 9600's and 9800's playing newer games then people with 5900's and such. I personally play battlefield(on low) with a 9600xt. Yes its not the greatest but i know people with 5900's and can barely play them. Then again im kind of an ati fanboy so it might be be byist.

There are many people still using GeForce 4 Ti 4200's. Besides, GeForce FX sucked the big one and we all know it did. Radeon 9700 was quite the opposite - it seriously rocked.

Hamish · 17th Aug 2005, 10:35

if the mid-range card is going to come clocked at 600/700 the top end one is going to be what 700/800 ish? if its got 32pipes aswell thats a seriously fast bit of hardware....

http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2501

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Highland3r I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Leeds UK Posts: 7,157	Erk October... these things had better be good :S Maybe it was a mistake for ATI to take the top end cards too 90nm before testing on some of the lower models... Wasnt planning on GFX updates until @ ~ october, but from their original launch date of July, things have slipped... Maybe its time to look towards Nvidia, esp if they can get SLI working on ATI based crossfire mobos... __________________ Prawn or not...?

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16th Aug 2005, 11:02	#4
Highland3r I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Leeds UK Posts: 7,157	Nvidia is iirc, testing 0.09 with lower models first, not 100% on this though. Indeed, if ATI have a working and feasible unified design then they might be slightly ahead of Nvidia at this point in time, though would assume NV arent too far behind with this. Seeing as the GT is probably going to be the most popular card anyways, it kinda makes sense for ATI to release it first, however they might run the risk of loosing sales of the XT if people buy a GT and master card to run Dual cards.... Its an interesting time for ATI atm, they've kinda balls'd up this launch badly __________________ Prawn or not...?

16th Aug 2005, 11:14	#6
MiNiMaL_FuSS I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,067	time to update my 9800pro....NEVER! i've lost the hardware buzz these days. Computers have been replaced wth being an Audiophile yup it happens... __________________ -Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery, Take the Present as a Gift-

16th Aug 2005, 13:43	#7
Asphix Multimodder Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 192	This same thing happend to Nvidia a while back with the FX line.. The graphics industry is so compeditive that I think its tough to stay on top indefinitely. On top of that, a small mistake can really set things back, especially with the expectations of the consumers in the enthusiast section. I agree unified shaders are the way to go. It will be a while until we see that on a PC though. I say a minimum of a year (at least) since its much more difficult to program software for a PC than a single use (well.. thats only half true with the next gen) piece of hardware such as a console. I dont think working on the x360 chipset is a good excuse though. Nvidia has been working on ps3 (although much less stress i'm sure due to a later launch). But all comparisons aside, if they knew they were going to be late.. just say "the card wont be ready till Q4 2005." I hate marketing ploys to keep interest.. lay it out honest. If the cards are good, sweet.. but I think its good to see Nvidia take the crown for a bit that way ATI doesnt get too comfortable. This will just make ATI work 10x harder to re-gain the crown which results in consumer benefit!!!!

16th Aug 2005, 14:14	#8
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Yep...they've balls'ed up this launch, but there will be others. I think ATI will rule the roost again for a little bit when unified technology comes to bear on the PC with long...vista. I'm not upgrading from my 6600gt until then, though. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

16th Aug 2005, 23:23	#10
FIBRE+ Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 1,306	They like taking turns to be on top I only recently ditched my Rad 8500 pro (64mb) for a 6600gt, played everything ok apart from BF2 and HL2, been more than happy with both For me it was Ati few years back, but gone with Nvidia recently, just seem to be more with it. Heres the question tho, what am I gonna buy for me new rig before crimbo (top o' line)? (prob 7800 GTX) __________________ ++ASUS SLI Premium \| X2 3800 @ 2.6ghz \| XP-120 \| 2GB Mushkin \| 8800 GT \| XFI Music \| Seagate 320GB \ Samsung F1 1TB \| 520W Corsair HX \| 23" Dell S2309W ++ ++Zotac 9300 Mini ITX \| Intel E5200 \| Scythe Shuriken \| 2GB Corsair \| 8600 GTS (Passive) \| WD Black 2.5" 320GB \ Samsung F2 Eco 1TB \| Corsair VX 450W \| 42" Panasonic Viera++ ++Canon 400D \| Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 \| Canon 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 \| Sandisk Extreme III 4GB++My Ebay++

17th Aug 2005, 10:35	#14
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	if the mid-range card is going to come clocked at 600/700 the top end one is going to be what 700/800 ish? if its got 32pipes aswell thats a seriously fast bit of hardware.... http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2501