Unreal Engine 4 in development - bit-tech.net Forums

The_Pope · 18th Aug 2005, 13:57

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...real_engine_4/

Golly - where to start? Do we talk about the projected System Specs for Unreal Engine 3, or take a stab at Unreal Engine 4 which will appear maybe some time like 2008...

I would guess UE4 will just render millions more polys than UE3, but when you can boil down a 6m poly model to 10k and have it still look like those screenies, what more do you need? Hundreds of those guys running around at the same time?

Will there be enough texture artists to keep up with the High Definition Age?

perplekks45 · 18th Aug 2005, 14:14

What kinda progress they wanna make after UE3? Like animate every hair on the beasts body? Animate the guts just in case they will be spilled all over the map? o.O
I'll wait to see what graphics card can handle UE3 and if my crappy pc can do (2600+, 1gb ram, 6600GT).

mclean007 · 18th Aug 2005, 14:24

My word, that looks pretty remarkably decent! Might finally justify taking the plunge and upgrading to skt939+PCI-E to play some of these new fangled games.

<off-topic>, what does "o.O" mean? Seen it around a few places and I'm not much up on the net speak.</off-topic>

The_Pope · 18th Aug 2005, 15:10

"o.O" is supposed to look like a smiley, with like one eye bulging out. It's a bit like a raised eyebrow.

Bear in mind that no UE3 games will be out this year, and for half the price of a top graphics card, you'll be able to buy an Xbox 360 and just play them on that. Though I'm no fan of console FPS action.

Also worth considering is that the ATI chip inside Xbox 360 is reportedly as powerful (or maybe more so still) than the 2006 GPU that's coming *after* R520 - their 7800 rival due in September.

FredsFriend · 18th Aug 2005, 15:13

My god that looks good

, will those character models in the article be real-time rendered?
If so b*gger me i'm gonna need some new hardware

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Originally Posted by mclean007

<off-topic>, what does "o.O" mean? Seen it around a few places and I'm not much up on the net speak.</off-topic>

Do you mean OO if in referance to programming it stands for Object Oriented

mclean007 · 18th Aug 2005, 15:18

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Originally Posted by The_Pope

"o.O" is supposed to look like a smiley, with like one eye bulging out. It's a bit like a raised eyebrow.

Thanks for that!

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Bear in mind that no UE3 games will be out this year, and for half the price of a top graphics card, you'll be able to buy an Xbox 360 and just play them on that. Though I'm no fan of console FPS action.

I like your style. Maybe do just that.

Hamish · 18th Aug 2005, 15:22

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Originally Posted by The_Pope

Bear in mind that no UE3 games will be out this year, and for half the price of a top graphics card, you'll be able to buy an Xbox 360 and just play them on that. Though I'm no fan of console FPS action.

if you can make a keyboard and mouse work with the xbox360 i'd consider it
until then, hell no

logan · 18th Aug 2005, 15:31

This article has a big chunk of whitespace in it when I view it - the entire height of the right hand banner ad.

Think it might be cause by the lack of space/line break between the last picture and the "Image copyright..." text.

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 18th Aug 2005, 17:11

*waits Da Dego to post his ponderings about what future physics and graphics in games should be*

Da Dego · 18th Aug 2005, 17:50

Hahaha...

Cheap, you know me too well.

May I be the 9 millionth to say PREEEETTTTTTTY!

And no comment on the physics, Epic is one of the preferred partners of the Aegis Physx PPU, which will work with U3.

So I can't really complain. I'll be looking forward to yet another genre-dominating unreal engine.

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 18th Aug 2005, 18:21

Well I myself think that although graphics will get better with Unreal Engine 4, there will (probably is/was) for better physics (hence post above), and I think UE4 is geared to make it much easier to create high quality games, cheaper and faster. If we look at past and today's graphics we can see how much visual quality advanced, however the way games are created stayed relatively similar. I hope that UE4 will lower costs to make games, however that might result in more.... ehhmm not so good games... but with less focus on release dates and on budget, developers could (hopefully) put more emphasis on innovation. I think that... ...okay, okay that's enaugh.

Ghys · 19th Aug 2005, 00:18

pleaaaaaassssseeeee tell me UT2007 wont look like this...... It will be impossible to see our targets with all those damn details......

Fast paced action games are getting killed by the 'eye candy first , gameplay second' attitude that the game producers have had for the past few years...

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 19th Aug 2005, 00:21

Yes UT 2007 will look quite similar to that, but you crying over details is rather stupid since you can very easily turn off "eyecandy." UT 2004 on lowest details looks rather interesting... =)

perplekks45 · 19th Aug 2005, 01:02

I do think Ghys' kinda right. Look at Doom³... Very nice graphic indeed, but where the hell did the speed go? Or look at Unreal 2... It felt like playin' a damn alcoholic turtle! If I start any id or Epic game's mp part I WANT TO BE BLOWN AWAY BY THE SPEED! Yeh, UT2k4 was nice. It was fast, it even was too fast partially, but it was kinda oldschool.
I love the graphic next generation engines are able to produce (Serious Sam 2, UE3 some of these awesome looking XBox games (btw: FPS on console? wtF?!)) but if I want to play a slow mp game I play Civilization 3. o.O

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 19th Aug 2005, 01:19

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Originally Posted by Ghys

Fast paced action games are getting killed by the 'eye candy first , gameplay second' attitude that the game producers have had for the past few years...

However that's where UT2007 should get back on track. When first news about UT2007 came about I read developers interview and they said that they are trying to bring oldschool gaming. Because UT2003 was a big letdown, and UT 2004 was not as good as they expected. So let's hope it will be good.

rupbert · 19th Aug 2005, 12:48

Quake 4 which uses the Doom 3 engine is supposed to be as fast, if not slightly faster than Quake 3!

FIBRE+ · 19th Aug 2005, 14:37

Perfection in 'virtual reality' is inperfection. Whats the one thing that stands out when you look at a really realistic painting or an almost lifelike 3d character somone has made, its too perfect... too balanced, too clean, too rigid...

So ofcourse they can improve on even the most advanced games

It will get to the stage where you cant tell the difference between virtual reality and virtual reality one day.

Well thats my view anyway

Pelihirmu · 19th Aug 2005, 15:19

Holy! Engine 4! Already the engine 3 is amazing and now they are working on a new engine! I can't imagine how great it would be :P

Put now.. our house is empty whole weekend. and you all know what 18-years-old boy like me is going to do..

IT'S TIME TO PARTY!

Ghys · 20th Aug 2005, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Cheap Mod Wannabe

Yes UT 2007 will look quite similar to that, but you crying over details is rather stupid since you can very easily turn off "eyecandy." UT 2004 on lowest details looks rather interesting... =)

but I did

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Originally Posted by Cheap Mod Wannabe

However that's where UT2007 should get back on track. When first news about UT2007 came about I read developers interview and they said that they are trying to bring oldschool gaming. Because UT2003 was a big letdown, and UT 2004 was not as good as they expected. So let's hope it will be good.

UT2004 is freaking awesome in TAM , this is a 'new' mod that they need to introduce in the next UT. It pretty much gave UT2004 a second life on the ladders , im sure it would be a great addition to the new UT

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 20th Aug 2005, 17:32

What is this TAM mod? What does it stand for, TAM + google = bunch of weird forums

18th Aug 2005, 13:57	#1
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Unreal Engine 4 in development http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...real_engine_4/ Golly - where to start? Do we talk about the projected System Specs for Unreal Engine 3, or take a stab at Unreal Engine 4 which will appear maybe some time like 2008... I would guess UE4 will just render millions more polys than UE3, but when you can boil down a 6m poly model to 10k and have it still look like those screenies, what more do you need? Hundreds of those guys running around at the same time? Will there be enough texture artists to keep up with the High Definition Age?

18th Aug 2005, 14:14	#2
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,346	What kinda progress they wanna make after UE3? Like animate every hair on the beasts body? Animate the guts just in case they will be spilled all over the map? o.O I'll wait to see what graphics card can handle UE3 and if my crappy pc can do (2600+, 1gb ram, 6600GT). __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

18th Aug 2005, 15:31	#8
logan flashback! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Doncaster, UK Posts: 874	This article has a big chunk of whitespace in it when I view it - the entire height of the right hand banner ad. Think it might be cause by the lack of space/line break between the last picture and the "Image copyright..." text. __________________ logan.uk.net

18th Aug 2005, 17:50	#10
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Hahaha... Cheap, you know me too well. May I be the 9 millionth to say PREEEETTTTTTTY! And no comment on the physics, Epic is one of the preferred partners of the Aegis Physx PPU, which will work with U3. So I can't really complain. I'll be looking forward to yet another genre-dominating unreal engine. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

19th Aug 2005, 01:02	#14
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,346	I do think Ghys' kinda right. Look at Doom³... Very nice graphic indeed, but where the hell did the speed go? Or look at Unreal 2... It felt like playin' a damn alcoholic turtle! If I start any id or Epic game's mp part I WANT TO BE BLOWN AWAY BY THE SPEED! Yeh, UT2k4 was nice. It was fast, it even was too fast partially, but it was kinda oldschool. I love the graphic next generation engines are able to produce (Serious Sam 2, UE3 some of these awesome looking XBox games (btw: FPS on console? wtF?!)) but if I want to play a slow mp game I play Civilization 3. o.O __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

18th Aug 2005, 14:24	#3
mclean007 Officious Bystander Join Date: May 2003 Location: Nodnol Posts: 1,595	My word, that looks pretty remarkably decent! Might finally justify taking the plunge and upgrading to skt939+PCI-E to play some of these new fangled games. <off-topic>, what does "o.O" mean? Seen it around a few places and I'm not much up on the net speak.</off-topic>

18th Aug 2005, 15:10	#4
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	"o.O" is supposed to look like a smiley, with like one eye bulging out. It's a bit like a raised eyebrow. Bear in mind that no UE3 games will be out this year, and for half the price of a top graphics card, you'll be able to buy an Xbox 360 and just play them on that. Though I'm no fan of console FPS action. Also worth considering is that the ATI chip inside Xbox 360 is reportedly as powerful (or maybe more so still) than the 2006 GPU that's coming after R520 - their 7800 rival due in September.

18th Aug 2005, 17:11	#9
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	waits Da Dego to post his ponderings about what future physics and graphics in games should be

18th Aug 2005, 18:21	#11
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	Well I myself think that although graphics will get better with Unreal Engine 4, there will (probably is/was) for better physics (hence post above), and I think UE4 is geared to make it much easier to create high quality games, cheaper and faster. If we look at past and today's graphics we can see how much visual quality advanced, however the way games are created stayed relatively similar. I hope that UE4 will lower costs to make games, however that might result in more.... ehhmm not so good games... but with less focus on release dates and on budget, developers could (hopefully) put more emphasis on innovation. I think that... ...okay, okay that's enaugh.

19th Aug 2005, 00:18	#12
Ghys DUHHHH Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 2,589	pleaaaaaassssseeeee tell me UT2007 wont look like this...... It will be impossible to see our targets with all those damn details...... Fast paced action games are getting killed by the 'eye candy first , gameplay second' attitude that the game producers have had for the past few years...

19th Aug 2005, 00:21	#13
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	Yes UT 2007 will look quite similar to that, but you crying over details is rather stupid since you can very easily turn off "eyecandy." UT 2004 on lowest details looks rather interesting... =)

19th Aug 2005, 12:48	#16
rupbert Hypermodder Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 799	Quake 4 which uses the Doom 3 engine is supposed to be as fast, if not slightly faster than Quake 3!

19th Aug 2005, 14:37	#17
FIBRE+ Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 1,306	Perfection in 'virtual reality' is inperfection. Whats the one thing that stands out when you look at a really realistic painting or an almost lifelike 3d character somone has made, its too perfect... too balanced, too clean, too rigid... So ofcourse they can improve on even the most advanced games It will get to the stage where you cant tell the difference between virtual reality and virtual reality one day. Well thats my view anyway __________________ ++ASUS SLI Premium \| X2 3800 @ 2.6ghz \| XP-120 \| 2GB Mushkin \| 8800 GT \| XFI Music \| Seagate 320GB \ Samsung F1 1TB \| 520W Corsair HX \| 23" Dell S2309W ++ ++Zotac 9300 Mini ITX \| Intel E5200 \| Scythe Shuriken \| 2GB Corsair \| 8600 GTS (Passive) \| WD Black 2.5" 320GB \ Samsung F2 Eco 1TB \| Corsair VX 450W \| 42" Panasonic Viera++ ++Canon 400D \| Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 \| Canon 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 \| Sandisk Extreme III 4GB++My Ebay++

19th Aug 2005, 15:19	#18
Pelihirmu Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 275	Holy! Engine 4! Already the engine 3 is amazing and now they are working on a new engine! I can't imagine how great it would be :P Put now.. our house is empty whole weekend. and you all know what 18-years-old boy like me is going to do.. IT'S TIME TO PARTY! __________________ /me is lazy - In progress CPU Block whit leds A finnish web magazine (Viive) which I made whit my friends http://media.pkamk.fi/viive

20th Aug 2005, 17:32	#20
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	What is this TAM mod? What does it stand for, TAM + google = bunch of weird forums