Universal Music backs Blu-ray - bit-tech.net Forums

The_Pope · 18th Aug 2005, 15:01

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...music_blu_ray/

Da Dego · 18th Aug 2005, 18:09

I think we finally have a winner on the format-wars.

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 18th Aug 2005, 18:15

But then the other competitors will find few smaller supporters of their format, just so more people would be confused which blank DVD's to buy... ehhh

MiNiMaL_FuSS · 18th Aug 2005, 21:30

my dad alreayd dosnt get the concept of DVD- DVD+ DVD+/- Duel layer....and he's quite found of his electronics, got a 10k stack system in his living room.
I think all these extra formats may infact end up coming back to bite thmeselves in the ass with the wider consumer market.

The idea of surround sound music is frankly stupid.
All the true music lovers have devoted thousands of pounds to true 2 channel audio systems. Cd players still do stero audio better than dvd players, and amps still handle music better than AV reievers (due to dedicated stero once again) Music is ment to be player in stero, and is recorded in stero. Any attmpt to change this would require a mssive overhaul of the industry and make most high end audio equipment useless....surround sound music would not be a smart move.

The_Pope · 19th Aug 2005, 02:52

Unfortunately, there are many non-techie people who are confused by DVD plus / minus R - I felt compelled to help out two Moms I saw in KMart recently, who clearly didn't know what they needed, and certainly weren't going to find the answers from the non-existent Staff.

blackerthanblack · 19th Aug 2005, 10:17

The timescale certainly doesn't help either. While we had years (decades?) to get used to VHS and cd to build up collections, its only been a couple of years since the DVD explosion and many ppl are still to get used to the format. Bringing out another similar format is bound to cause confusion and lots of ppl will feel that DVD is good enough for them since it aleady supplies good picture and surround sound.

MiNiMaL_FuSS · 19th Aug 2005, 12:41

true only now are we actually getting the full use of DVDs with duel layer coming down in price and surround sound figures still going up (5.1 -> now 8.1).

If blu ray discs are most probably going to require brand nu technology, and many are only just investing in DVD, i think its too soon.

I think high density DVD discs are the next logical step, after all we are only now at 16x writes speeds and duel layer, triple layer possible??

Games are only just porting over to DVD now remmeber!

Hamish · 19th Aug 2005, 12:48

i just want a blu-ray writer so i dont have to use 10-15 dvd-r's to store the same amount of data as i could get on a blu-ray disc

Da Dego · 19th Aug 2005, 15:50

An Update: Lion's Arch Entertainment just signed on to blu-ray as well.

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 19th Aug 2005, 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamish

i just want a blu-ray writer so i dont have to use 10-15 dvd-r's to store the same amount of data as i could get on a blu-ray disc

You would also pay 10-15 times if not more

At least the first months of the release.

Hamish · 19th Aug 2005, 16:15

probably be worth it when you have 400 odd dvd-r's lying around the place

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 19th Aug 2005, 16:19

Oh you have 1880 Gigs of valuable data.... Well I guess you're right then....

Just curious though? What do you store in those 2terabytes of backup dvd-r's?

Hamish · 19th Aug 2005, 16:20

home videos in HDTV res of course

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 19th Aug 2005, 16:26

Taken with 800*600 camcorder and then pixel blown up to HDTV Res I suppose? =P Or maybe Mr. Senjor fancy pants has HDCamcorder?

And it take you at least 40hours to burn 400 DVD's with one DVD RW.... Oh and tranfering videos from camcorder to PC, then editing, encoding.... Wow Mr. Senjor, I guess you have a lot of free time and money.

Hamish · 19th Aug 2005, 16:27

dual core AMD = ninja fast encoding

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 19th Aug 2005, 16:38

You were supposed to reply... "oh... okay, okay I lied, I don't have 400 DVD'r in my room"

Lucidity · 20th Aug 2005, 00:43

It doesn't matter who signs on to a format, unless people stop making movies on DVD people won't have to or won't want to upgrade up to blu-ray. Blu-ray will eventually come around in the next 4 or 5 years though.

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 20th Aug 2005, 01:08

Oh YEs it will, did people stop using CD's before DVD's were introduced...? Hmmmm NO.... Most people in the world did not even understood the concept of DVD untill record/movie copanies pushed the format into the daylight and people were just basically forced to buy DVD players.... At least that is what I think

Da Dego · 20th Aug 2005, 04:42

Agreed, cheap, though I think you may be working with incorrect formats. For instance, there's not much of a reason for people to switch to DVD audio, and they haven't yet. But, they abandoned VHS because record companies pushed the DVD format. DVD just offered many more benefits, and we don't know what little extras blu-ray will add to it.

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 20th Aug 2005, 05:00

Oh I guess I'm one of those people who has his music collection on DVD-R...

bang, bang, bang

Cheap, - who's there?!

bang, bang!, deep voice - Open the Door!

Cheap, - Can you open the door, Ma?! .... Thanks!

Ma, - Yes what is the problem officers..?

Cheap, - Oh damn... *makes the run for the window*

Crash..... Tufff....

aahhhh, my LEEEGG!!!, screams cheap...

*fades*

Cheap, - arghhh... Nurse?... Anybody..?!

Nurse silently, - Doctor Williams..., suicidal kid has waken up..

Cheap, - HEY I HEARD THAT!!! I'm not suicidal...

Nurse, - calm down... What were you doing then jumping though the second
floor window wit..h...
Cheap, - I was running from FBA, trying to save me li...
Nurse, - And that 17" CRT monitor..?
Cheap, - Well that is inseparatable part of my life you blonde... DUHH

18th Aug 2005, 15:01	#1
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Universal Music backs Blu-ray http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...music_blu_ray/

18th Aug 2005, 18:09	#2
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	I think we finally have a winner on the format-wars. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

18th Aug 2005, 21:30	#4
MiNiMaL_FuSS I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,067	my dad alreayd dosnt get the concept of DVD- DVD+ DVD+/- Duel layer....and he's quite found of his electronics, got a 10k stack system in his living room. I think all these extra formats may infact end up coming back to bite thmeselves in the ass with the wider consumer market. The idea of surround sound music is frankly stupid. All the true music lovers have devoted thousands of pounds to true 2 channel audio systems. Cd players still do stero audio better than dvd players, and amps still handle music better than AV reievers (due to dedicated stero once again) Music is ment to be player in stero, and is recorded in stero. Any attmpt to change this would require a mssive overhaul of the industry and make most high end audio equipment useless....surround sound music would not be a smart move. __________________ -Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery, Take the Present as a Gift-

19th Aug 2005, 10:17	#6
blackerthanblack Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Fife Posts: 209	The timescale certainly doesn't help either. While we had years (decades?) to get used to VHS and cd to build up collections, its only been a couple of years since the DVD explosion and many ppl are still to get used to the format. Bringing out another similar format is bound to cause confusion and lots of ppl will feel that DVD is good enough for them since it aleady supplies good picture and surround sound. __________________ There is so a spoon

19th Aug 2005, 12:41	#7
MiNiMaL_FuSS I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,067	true only now are we actually getting the full use of DVDs with duel layer coming down in price and surround sound figures still going up (5.1 -> now 8.1). If blu ray discs are most probably going to require brand nu technology, and many are only just investing in DVD, i think its too soon. I think high density DVD discs are the next logical step, after all we are only now at 16x writes speeds and duel layer, triple layer possible?? Games are only just porting over to DVD now remmeber! __________________ -Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery, Take the Present as a Gift-

18th Aug 2005, 18:15	#3
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	But then the other competitors will find few smaller supporters of their format, just so more people would be confused which blank DVD's to buy... ehhh

19th Aug 2005, 02:52	#5
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Unfortunately, there are many non-techie people who are confused by DVD plus / minus R - I felt compelled to help out two Moms I saw in KMart recently, who clearly didn't know what they needed, and certainly weren't going to find the answers from the non-existent Staff.

19th Aug 2005, 12:48	#8
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	i just want a blu-ray writer so i dont have to use 10-15 dvd-r's to store the same amount of data as i could get on a blu-ray disc

19th Aug 2005, 15:50	#9
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	An Update: Lion's Arch Entertainment just signed on to blu-ray as well. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

19th Aug 2005, 16:15	#11
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	probably be worth it when you have 400 odd dvd-r's lying around the place

19th Aug 2005, 16:19	#12
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	Oh you have 1880 Gigs of valuable data.... Well I guess you're right then.... Just curious though? What do you store in those 2terabytes of backup dvd-r's?

19th Aug 2005, 16:20	#13
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	home videos in HDTV res of course

19th Aug 2005, 16:26	#14
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	Taken with 800*600 camcorder and then pixel blown up to HDTV Res I suppose? =P Or maybe Mr. Senjor fancy pants has HDCamcorder? And it take you at least 40hours to burn 400 DVD's with one DVD RW.... Oh and tranfering videos from camcorder to PC, then editing, encoding.... Wow Mr. Senjor, I guess you have a lot of free time and money.

19th Aug 2005, 16:27	#15
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	dual core AMD = ninja fast encoding

19th Aug 2005, 16:38	#16
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	You were supposed to reply... "oh... okay, okay I lied, I don't have 400 DVD'r in my room"

20th Aug 2005, 00:43	#17
Lucidity Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NC Posts: 139	It doesn't matter who signs on to a format, unless people stop making movies on DVD people won't have to or won't want to upgrade up to blu-ray. Blu-ray will eventually come around in the next 4 or 5 years though. __________________ [size=1]AMD 64 6000+ X2, Asus M2N SLI Deluxe, 4 GBs of Corsair XMS 6400 ram, Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 320mb

20th Aug 2005, 01:08	#18
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	Oh YEs it will, did people stop using CD's before DVD's were introduced...? Hmmmm NO.... Most people in the world did not even understood the concept of DVD untill record/movie copanies pushed the format into the daylight and people were just basically forced to buy DVD players.... At least that is what I think

20th Aug 2005, 04:42	#19
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Agreed, cheap, though I think you may be working with incorrect formats. For instance, there's not much of a reason for people to switch to DVD audio, and they haven't yet. But, they abandoned VHS because record companies pushed the DVD format. DVD just offered many more benefits, and we don't know what little extras blu-ray will add to it. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

20th Aug 2005, 05:00	#20
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	Oh I guess I'm one of those people who has his music collection on DVD-R... bang, bang, bang Cheap, - who's there?! bang, bang!, deep voice - Open the Door! Cheap, - Can you open the door, Ma?! .... Thanks! Ma, - Yes what is the problem officers..? Cheap, - Oh damn... makes the run for the window Crash..... Tufff.... aahhhh, my LEEEGG!!!, screams cheap... fades Cheap, - arghhh... Nurse?... Anybody..?! Nurse silently, - Doctor Williams..., suicidal kid has waken up.. Cheap, - HEY I HEARD THAT!!! I'm not suicidal... Nurse, - calm down... What were you doing then jumping though the second floor window wit..h... Cheap, - I was running from FBA, trying to save me li... Nurse, - And that 17" CRT monitor..? Cheap, - Well that is inseparatable part of my life you blonde... DUHH