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WilHarris · 24th Aug 2005, 16:45

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...g_performance/

Kipman725 · 24th Aug 2005, 17:03

he would say it will be good for gaming. You can't imagain INtell coming out whith the following: "Omg AmDz N3w C\-\IP RoX0r\z !!¬!!111!!!"

Hamish · 24th Aug 2005, 17:05

what?

if a single core amd is faster than a single core p4 how is a dual core p4 going to be faster than a dual core amd

yatesy · 24th Aug 2005, 17:07

well of course, if the intel spokesman says it will be better, then it must be

O wait......... Let me think that through

lepre · 24th Aug 2005, 17:36

until games won't be threaded dual core processors can sit down and wait..

glnsize · 24th Aug 2005, 18:36

It took AMD what? ten years to catch intel, and all they really caught was the high end gaming rigs... It will be a long time before AMD will relinquish its enthusiast crown... Like i read in another thread earlier. Intel should stick to laptops (were they rule all comers), and AMD should stick to desktops.

A key note here is that Intel also kinda has to change its tactics. AMD is dragging there feet on BTX and Intel NEEDS it if it planned on going any higher. Vs AMD could probably ride ATX for three or four more generations.

Long story short this guy works for marketing if THG said that Intel is gonna stomp AMD I would still have a hard time believing it. Coming from this guy it doesn't mean anything.

my $.02

RotoSequence · 24th Aug 2005, 19:16

You guys arent thinking at an architectural level. Conroe is a short pipeline, high efficiency per clock cycle architecture as everything thus far has indicated. The processors on a Conroe die can communicate with each other rapidly thanks to the links in the L1 and L2 cache, and looks to feature loads of cache; undoubtedly to help deal with the lack of bandwidth in the netburst bus.

A high ipc chip that runs at speeds of 2-3 Ghz with low heat output will undoubtedly make for a very good enthusiast chip; I would not be surprised to see a performance advantage of several percent per clock cycle over the Athlon 64; Intel may well be able to compete again in the high end segment again provided theres a significant performance improvement over the Athlon 64.

If Macro-Ops Fusion delivers, this will be a screaming chip that leaves the Athlon 64 in the dust. What wonders does AMD have in store for us in 2006-2007? Theyre going to have to be pretty good, as Conroe is nothing close to two Pentium 4s on one die-try two Pentium Ms with several architectural revisions and loads of steroids.

Da Dego · 25th Aug 2005, 23:47

I look forward to this...better innovation is good all ways around, no matter who the brand is.

What I don't get is the choice of wording and our humble choice of interpretation... "It will deliver an absolute value of performance greater than where we are today..."

Let's think of that. First, at best all I can translate that as is "The new chip will be better than our current, older chips." Duh. Let's hope so. But, if we look at his wording of 'absolute value' that means a distance from a point in ANY direction is inherently positive, because it is a change....so, if the new chip is -28% faster (read: 28% slower) than the old, then the absolute value is 28% greater than 0 (the starting point)....NOT the direction I'd want to see, but it would still prove his statement correct. The devil is in the details, my friends.

That being said, I don't honestly expect the chip to be slower and less efficient than current models, or I'd be scratching my head as to why they released the new chip. But, I do not translate this statement in the same, intel-affirming way that Wil does...

Caveat emptor, and I'll be waiting for the results when the chip is put through bindi's meticulous paces.

24th Aug 2005, 16:45	#1
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24th Aug 2005, 17:07	#4
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24th Aug 2005, 19:16	#7
RotoSequence Lazy Lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 'States Posts: 4,533	You guys arent thinking at an architectural level. Conroe is a short pipeline, high efficiency per clock cycle architecture as everything thus far has indicated. The processors on a Conroe die can communicate with each other rapidly thanks to the links in the L1 and L2 cache, and looks to feature loads of cache; undoubtedly to help deal with the lack of bandwidth in the netburst bus. A high ipc chip that runs at speeds of 2-3 Ghz with low heat output will undoubtedly make for a very good enthusiast chip; I would not be surprised to see a performance advantage of several percent per clock cycle over the Athlon 64; Intel may well be able to compete again in the high end segment again provided theres a significant performance improvement over the Athlon 64. If Macro-Ops Fusion delivers, this will be a screaming chip that leaves the Athlon 64 in the dust. What wonders does AMD have in store for us in 2006-2007? Theyre going to have to be pretty good, as Conroe is nothing close to two Pentium 4s on one die-try two Pentium Ms with several architectural revisions and loads of steroids. __________________ Technology Schmecnology

24th Aug 2005, 17:05	#3
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	what? if a single core amd is faster than a single core p4 how is a dual core p4 going to be faster than a dual core amd

24th Aug 2005, 18:36	#6
glnsize Minimodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Augusta, Ga, USA Posts: 33	It took AMD what? ten years to catch intel, and all they really caught was the high end gaming rigs... It will be a long time before AMD will relinquish its enthusiast crown... Like i read in another thread earlier. Intel should stick to laptops (were they rule all comers), and AMD should stick to desktops. A key note here is that Intel also kinda has to change its tactics. AMD is dragging there feet on BTX and Intel NEEDS it if it planned on going any higher. Vs AMD could probably ride ATX for three or four more generations. Long story short this guy works for marketing if THG said that Intel is gonna stomp AMD I would still have a hard time believing it. Coming from this guy it doesn't mean anything. my $.02

25th Aug 2005, 23:47	#8
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	I look forward to this...better innovation is good all ways around, no matter who the brand is. What I don't get is the choice of wording and our humble choice of interpretation... "It will deliver an absolute value of performance greater than where we are today..." Let's think of that. First, at best all I can translate that as is "The new chip will be better than our current, older chips." Duh. Let's hope so. But, if we look at his wording of 'absolute value' that means a distance from a point in ANY direction is inherently positive, because it is a change....so, if the new chip is -28% faster (read: 28% slower) than the old, then the absolute value is 28% greater than 0 (the starting point)....NOT the direction I'd want to see, but it would still prove his statement correct. The devil is in the details, my friends. That being said, I don't honestly expect the chip to be slower and less efficient than current models, or I'd be scratching my head as to why they released the new chip. But, I do not translate this statement in the same, intel-affirming way that Wil does... Caveat emptor, and I'll be waiting for the results when the chip is put through bindi's meticulous paces. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo