G70 in texture shimmer hell? - bit-tech.net Forums

WilHarris · 26th Aug 2005, 20:43

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...xture_shimmer/

Da Dego · 26th Aug 2005, 21:08

Not too good, NV, not too good.

On a note, this seems to be a recurring problem amongst MANY hardware releasers lately...that their first rounds of drivers are not working well. It seems almost like they are ignoring that drivers are a critical part of a successful product launch...

Hope this gets fixed soon, though I'm sure it's probably on the top priority list now (shame it didn't START there). Any 7800 buyers out there want to own up for having problems?

Firehed · 26th Aug 2005, 21:59

I heard this mentioned a while back. Still, I'm confident that nvidia will iron out the problems. And TBH, you have to expect driver bugs - they just can't try out every possibility of hardware/software configs in their labs prior to launch. We're talking maybe a couple hundred at best versus in the tens or hundreds of thousands...

I do rather wish they took the ATI approach of roughly a new driver set every month, as theirs seem rather random, but I've had good luck overall. Still, this does bump down my desire for a 7800GT/GTX very slightly.

Tim S · 26th Aug 2005, 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehed

I heard this mentioned a while back. Still, I'm confident that nvidia will iron out the problems. And TBH, you have to expect driver bugs - they just can't try out every possibility of hardware/software configs in their labs prior to launch. We're talking maybe a couple hundred at best versus in the tens or hundreds of thousands...

Yes, I am confident that they will iron the bug out, but I'm slightly perplexed as to why it wasn't documented in the release notes for the driver.

Quote:

I do rather wish they took the ATI approach of roughly a new driver set every month, as theirs seem rather random, but I've had good luck overall.

I've asked them about this a number of times - I'd rather see driver releases every other month as I feel that once a month is just too often. They've always responded - 'why release a driver for the sake of releasing one?' I'm inclined to agree with that logic.

The_Pope · 27th Aug 2005, 07:04

We do actually have several 7800 owners in these forums - c'mon guys, step forward and tell us about your experiences positive / negative

valium · 27th Aug 2005, 07:23

I just purchased a 7800 gtx oc, and I can honestly say in the few games I play BF2, WoW, CS:S I haven't noticed anything shady at all.

Acehole · 27th Aug 2005, 11:31

I bought a Galaxy 7800GTX a couple of weeks ago, and haven't noticed any texture shimmering when using High Quality settings. There is some noticable shimmering when using Quality settings however.

The only problem I have had is getting transparency AA to work, in half my games it just seems to have no effect...

Epoch · 27th Aug 2005, 16:14

I purchased a XFX 7800GTX OC a couple weeks ago, I originally didnt notice any texture shimmering issues, but I updated my drivers and found it to become an issue, where there wasn't one before. Even with 16xAF enabled, both in game settings and in the driver settings.

If you do have problems such as this, I found that the solution is to change your global drivers settings under advanced options and set it to force trilinear filtering.
That removed all of my issues, and got rid of my texture shimmering.

Tim S · 27th Aug 2005, 22:49

I only noticed them ever-so slightly when I was messing on CS: Source the other night to be honest. I think it warrants a more prudent investigation though.

Acehole · 28th Aug 2005, 01:26

I take back what I said, I was just on Doom 3 and saw a load of shimmering, no idea why I didn't see any over the last few days since I have not changed any settings.

Still can't get TSAA to work on Doom either, the only game I have where it has worked is cs:s

hitman012 · 28th Aug 2005, 01:32

Hmmm... looks like I need to hold back on buying one until the problem is fixed.

I wonder how this is going to impact their sales - there's no news like bad news, and this is going to do the rounds very fast. They'd better get a fix out, and quick

P.S. I can't seem to find the comparison video that you are referring to in your article - can someone point a link out to me?

Edit: I really do need to get some proper sleep. I never realised that there were two pages to the article!

Cheap Mod Wannabe · 28th Aug 2005, 05:35

Why it took so damn long for news like that to reach us? Well most likely because the problem is not spread out to all 7800's. I mean I understand that it's a big deal and all but with so many gf 7 series cards sold problems would be screaming few days after card or driver release when people would be testing the computing sh|^ out of their cards. It just seems a bit weird to me. Maybe just new driver caused the problem (like some respected gf 7800 owner pointed oit in previous post)

dgb · 28th Aug 2005, 06:04

I honestly think it's getting blown out of proportion. I struggle to notice it quite frankly, and given they are working on a fix, well I'm happy with that.

TMM · 28th Aug 2005, 06:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firehed

I do rather wish they took the ATI approach of roughly a new driver set every month, as theirs seem rather random, but I've had good luck overall.

True, but there are tonnes of beta's around, compared to ATI. Although they are betas, a beta is good enough for me if it runs my games properly.

acidfire · 30th Aug 2005, 03:33

maybe its because there running in sli mode, but i haven't noticed it with my 7800gtx's. Does anyone know if the new drivers will support sli nView? I guess I'll have to take a second look at it when I get home from work today.

Hey Bigz, what servers do you play on for CS:S?

Acehole · 30th Aug 2005, 13:27

Nope I'm not using SLI, buying one was expensive enough

Tim S · 30th Aug 2005, 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by acidfire

Hey Bigz, what servers do you play on for CS:S?

Mainly in the UK, but I prefer playing CS 1.6 over CS:S - if there's people on the bit-tech server, I'll play there if I fancy some sauce.

acidfire · 30th Aug 2005, 19:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkNuke

Nope I'm not using SLI, buying one was expensive enough

lol, I think you misunderstod what I said. I'm currently running the following:

AMD X2 4400+
Asus A8N Sli Premium
2x Asus 7800GTX in Sli
2gb HyperX 3200

(Got a bundle deal for the 7800s with the Premium board

)

playing Half-Life2/CS:S and Painkiller (leave me alone, the stake gun makes for hours of fun) I don't notice any of the shimmering with everything cranked up.

Its interesting tho, running sli and 3dsmax, the gobal settings seem to boost the openGL while im working on the models. Me thinks I may need to do some tests later to determine whether or not I'm actually getting a boost.

Any thoughts?

Kipman725 · 30th Aug 2005, 19:22

according to the inq the problem is a driver "optimisation" which forces the card into a lower level of AF. Tsk tsk I thought nvidia would have lernt there lesson with the 5800.

Tim S · 30th Aug 2005, 20:01

It's actually a bug, not a driver optimisation. I've used a newer driver and it fixes the problem with bugger all performance difference.

26th Aug 2005, 20:43	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	G70 in texture shimmer hell? http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08...xture_shimmer/

26th Aug 2005, 21:08	#2
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Not too good, NV, not too good. On a note, this seems to be a recurring problem amongst MANY hardware releasers lately...that their first rounds of drivers are not working well. It seems almost like they are ignoring that drivers are a critical part of a successful product launch... Hope this gets fixed soon, though I'm sure it's probably on the top priority list now (shame it didn't START there). Any 7800 buyers out there want to own up for having problems? __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

26th Aug 2005, 21:59	#3
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	I heard this mentioned a while back. Still, I'm confident that nvidia will iron out the problems. And TBH, you have to expect driver bugs - they just can't try out every possibility of hardware/software configs in their labs prior to launch. We're talking maybe a couple hundred at best versus in the tens or hundreds of thousands... I do rather wish they took the ATI approach of roughly a new driver set every month, as theirs seem rather random, but I've had good luck overall. Still, this does bump down my desire for a 7800GT/GTX very slightly. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

27th Aug 2005, 07:23	#6
valium Supermodder Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: USA, TX Posts: 288	I just purchased a 7800 gtx oc, and I can honestly say in the few games I play BF2, WoW, CS:S I haven't noticed anything shady at all. __________________ V2 - AMD 4400+ x2, Geforce 7800 GTX, 2x512 Corsair PC3200XL, 2x74gb Raptors (Raid 0)

27th Aug 2005, 22:49	#9
Tim S Pewlius Caesar bit-tech Staff Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ascot, Berks Posts: 18,021	I only noticed them ever-so slightly when I was messing on CS: Source the other night to be honest. I think it warrants a more prudent investigation though. __________________ Tim on Twitter \| Tim's Blog \| Tim's Flickr The bit-tech Blog \| bit-tech on Twitter \| Join the bit-tech & Custom PC folding team (#35947)

27th Aug 2005, 07:04	#5
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	We do actually have several 7800 owners in these forums - c'mon guys, step forward and tell us about your experiences positive / negative

27th Aug 2005, 11:31	#7
Acehole Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Blackburn, UK Posts: 94	I bought a Galaxy 7800GTX a couple of weeks ago, and haven't noticed any texture shimmering when using High Quality settings. There is some noticable shimmering when using Quality settings however. The only problem I have had is getting transparency AA to work, in half my games it just seems to have no effect...

27th Aug 2005, 16:14	#8
Epoch What's a Dremel? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2	I purchased a XFX 7800GTX OC a couple weeks ago, I originally didnt notice any texture shimmering issues, but I updated my drivers and found it to become an issue, where there wasn't one before. Even with 16xAF enabled, both in game settings and in the driver settings. If you do have problems such as this, I found that the solution is to change your global drivers settings under advanced options and set it to force trilinear filtering. That removed all of my issues, and got rid of my texture shimmering.

28th Aug 2005, 01:26	#10
Acehole Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Blackburn, UK Posts: 94	I take back what I said, I was just on Doom 3 and saw a load of shimmering, no idea why I didn't see any over the last few days since I have not changed any settings. Still can't get TSAA to work on Doom either, the only game I have where it has worked is cs:s

28th Aug 2005, 01:32	#11
hitman012 What is a Dremel!? Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bristol / London Posts: 4,811	Hmmm... looks like I need to hold back on buying one until the problem is fixed. I wonder how this is going to impact their sales - there's no news like bad news, and this is going to do the rounds very fast. They'd better get a fix out, and quick P.S. I can't seem to find the comparison video that you are referring to in your article - can someone point a link out to me? Edit: I really do need to get some proper sleep. I never realised that there were two pages to the article! Last edited by hitman012; 28th Aug 2005 at 01:38.

28th Aug 2005, 05:35	#12
Cheap Mod Wannabe Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 1,215	Why it took so damn long for news like that to reach us? Well most likely because the problem is not spread out to all 7800's. I mean I understand that it's a big deal and all but with so many gf 7 series cards sold problems would be screaming few days after card or driver release when people would be testing the computing sh\|^ out of their cards. It just seems a bit weird to me. Maybe just new driver caused the problem (like some respected gf 7800 owner pointed oit in previous post)

28th Aug 2005, 06:04	#13
dgb Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 105	I honestly think it's getting blown out of proportion. I struggle to notice it quite frankly, and given they are working on a fix, well I'm happy with that.

30th Aug 2005, 03:33	#15
acidfire Supermodder Join Date: May 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 254	maybe its because there running in sli mode, but i haven't noticed it with my 7800gtx's. Does anyone know if the new drivers will support sli nView? I guess I'll have to take a second look at it when I get home from work today. Hey Bigz, what servers do you play on for CS:S? __________________ "And when he gets to heaven, To St. Peter he will tell; One more soldier reporting sir, I served my time in hell. " Last edited by acidfire; 30th Aug 2005 at 03:46.

30th Aug 2005, 13:27	#16
Acehole Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Blackburn, UK Posts: 94	Nope I'm not using SLI, buying one was expensive enough

30th Aug 2005, 19:22	#19
Kipman725 When did I get a custom title!?! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,753	according to the inq the problem is a driver "optimisation" which forces the card into a lower level of AF. Tsk tsk I thought nvidia would have lernt there lesson with the 5800. __________________ Sn45g game server mod My Electronics Site Hardware: 3400+ Sempr0n, 1GB RAM, 1.28TB local storage, x1950pro,Razer Viper,M$ comfort curve 2000,L70S + 17", Fujitsu 17" CRT Audio: HD-650's, PE congress amp, Sound Blaster AWE64, Soundblaster 24bit

30th Aug 2005, 20:01	#20
Tim S Pewlius Caesar bit-tech Staff Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ascot, Berks Posts: 18,021	It's actually a bug, not a driver optimisation. I've used a newer driver and it fixes the problem with bugger all performance difference. __________________ Tim on Twitter \| Tim's Blog \| Tim's Flickr The bit-tech Blog \| bit-tech on Twitter \| Join the bit-tech & Custom PC folding team (#35947)