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7th Sep 2005, 09:17
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Vista is a hardware beast
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7th Sep 2005, 09:35
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So what, we're supposed buy a whole new pc just a run a funked up GUI and have support from hd quality.
 seriously if MS where yo make thier on pc's and tfts they could take over the world  but seriously im up for a new OS but do we really need 2Gb and a 256Mb+ GFX card. (for F.E.A.R and BF2 I can understand) but just to run god damm windows thats ludocris  . -Frank
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7th Sep 2005, 09:53
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buy the time vista is out you'll probably have upgraded anyway
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7th Sep 2005, 11:01
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The only thing I hope happens is that Vista releases all graphics resources when DirectX games start - otherwise you'll need 512Mb for Vista and 512Mb for FEAR 2 - the age of 1Gb graphics cards is just around the corner :P
Seriously, I can't believe that MS is expecting people to (effectively) buy a completely new PC just to run Windows...unbelievable!
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7th Sep 2005, 11:09
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....... your average user will not be buying vista to install on their current pc anyway and the rest of us upgrade often enough that we'll be well past the min specs by the time its out
the same thing happened with XP |
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7th Sep 2005, 12:17
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If OEM's start shipping this bloatware with new pc's though it means your average user just needing a pc for letters/browsing/music is going to get either a tediously slow pc because of the OS, or a vastly overspec'd (expensive) one.
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7th Sep 2005, 12:21
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So, we'll see the worlds energy consumption shoot right up?
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7th Sep 2005, 12:42
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Get over it. Everything new needs more powerful hardware, its why the computing world progresses. |
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7th Sep 2005, 13:04
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Oh and by the way: Did you switch to XP from your 3.11 rig or did you run 95/98/2000/ME on a 486? :P
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7th Sep 2005, 13:21
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Since the vast majority of Windows installations are OEM pre-installs, it says a lot about the base system come Vista's release.
Corporate users will be totally screwed - most of their hardware fleet that currently runs XP won't run Vista, so I imagine the migration to Vista for many people will be slow. |
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7th Sep 2005, 13:33
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I also suspect that Vista will probably have some "modest" install options to run on more modest machines, with all the eyecandy turned off. Let's face it, Microsoft is not going to spec itself out of a large proportion of the market...
Here in the NHS most Pcs tthat run XP run it in classic windows mode --not so much because of the limited capabilites of the machines, but because people's brains seem to melt when they are confronted with a slightly different GUI... which is why Classic Mode was included in XP as an option. I suspect some basic no-bells-and-wistles install option will remain for Vista. Meanwhile, better start work on Metaversa 02... 
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7th Sep 2005, 14:31
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The one thing I don't like about Vista is the fact that you'll need to buy a new monitor just to watch any high definition content because of their stupid decryption. Sure, you 'll still be able to watch your hidef stuff... but Vista will automatically lower it's quality. I think Microsoft needs to keep their hands out of the MPAA cookiejar.
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7th Sep 2005, 14:40
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Eh, I don't think it's Microsoft's issue as much as the MPAA telling them "You will, or we'll disable the content from even being able to be played on PCs." MPAA tend to have pretty big arm-wrestling ability, and let's remember that with the HTPC world coming together, MS don't exactly want to be telling their customers "Install the Newest OS, so you can be completely unable to play video!"
These seem like steep requirements, but software has always pulled hardware forward, and very rarely the other way around. So this might be microsoft saying "come on guys, we haven't had a really big step forward except for dual-core in a while...get with it." And since OEMs will end up buying it for systems, the price will go down on the new tech pretty quickly.
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7th Sep 2005, 14:43
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Yeah... but just how often do you buy a new monitor? Mine tend to last me five to six years and I know I'd be pissed off if I plopped $1000 down on the 24" inch DELL monitor or even $400 on the 20" just to have to go buy another one next year because my operating system won't display hidef video unless I do.
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7th Sep 2005, 14:55
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But what can they do? Middle finger the MPAA? That's OUR job as consumers.
 Personally, I have a monitor that is about 5 years old, so it's just about ready for replacement. It'll hold out until there's something worth buying...but frankly, I'm not too concerned about HD because if I want to watch HD video, I'll do that on my TV.
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7th Sep 2005, 14:58
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I can understand upgrading the components INSIDE your computer for Vista... but come on, your monitor? That's just pushing it abit too far. Hopefully someone out there will have the workaround within a week of release (there probably will be as there's going to be a virus written for it probably before it hits shelves).
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7th Sep 2005, 15:04
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For all the people complaining about the monitor, you do NOT need a new monitor to run Vista. You need a new monitor to run HD-DVDs in HD format, which shouldn't surprise you; you'd need a new TV as well.
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The requirements actually aren't that bad; 2GB of RAM is only needed if you're running the 64-bit version (which a lot of people won't), hyper-threading is still optional, SATA and PCI-E are becoming new standards anyways. The only significant problem is the HDCP garbage, and that's only for people who will watch HD-DVD movies on their computer and not their TV. It looks bad now, sure, but in 12 months, you may be surprised at what hardware the "average" system is running. |
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7th Sep 2005, 15:18
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im not worried about hdcp tbh, it'll just be like css and region encoding on dvd's now, cracked within about 5 seconds
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