ATI's Radeon X800 series can do Transparency AA too - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 29th Sep 2005, 16:55

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/09/29/cat_59_taa/

kickarse · 29th Sep 2005, 18:30

That looks sooo much better...

Da Dego · 29th Sep 2005, 19:47

Yah...makes me want to go out and buy a 7800gt.

nemesis80 · 29th Sep 2005, 21:08

do you guys do anything else then complaining?

I'm glad this happened, x800 users will be able to achieve it with just a minor performance lost. Good news.

Da Dego · 29th Sep 2005, 21:12

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Originally Posted by nemesis80

do you guys do anything else then complaining?

I'm glad this happened, x800 users will be able to achieve it with just a minor performance lost. Good news.

I don't see how either kickarse or myself were complaining, but I guess I'll answer your question with: yes, we do.

My point was more that "wow, this is a neat feature, though I won't buy older hardware to get it...now I see what the fuss was about, makes me want the 7800 I've been eyeing up that much more." I suppose I could have phrased it better, though...

And you're right, it is a VERY nice feature, particularly for a mid-range card. I don't know about the performance hit, though...they said it dropped 10 frames, but our source was not backed up yet, and I don't think anyone on our forums has tried the mod out yet. If you have one, please try it, and let us know how it works!

nemesis80 · 29th Sep 2005, 21:29

Ive just tried it, ( sorry if ive been a little rash) there is a better visual in games, not much of a drop, hl2 just dropped by 5 frames, however, there was a temperature gain higher then usual, around 2 to 5 degrees for me, dunno about the others. The games are loocking better, but I would recommend a decent screen and to use at least a 1024X768 setup to see the difference better.

Da Dego · 29th Sep 2005, 21:42

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Originally Posted by nemesis80

Ive just tried it, ( sorry if ive been a little rash) there is a better visual in games, not much of a drop, hl2 just dropped by 5 frames, however, there was a temperature gain higher then usual, around 2 to 5 degrees for me, dunno about the others. The games are loocking better, but I would recommend a decent screen and to use at least a 1024X768 setup to see the difference better.

Are you overclocked? That is a pretty steep temp increase...what does yours normally run at, to put it relatively?

Firehed · 29th Sep 2005, 21:53

Well also remember, going from 40fps to 30fps is drastically different than going from 100fps to 90fps.

nemesis80 · 29th Sep 2005, 21:55

I'm using a Sapphire X800 pro vivo flashed to an Xt pe and im overclocked to a 560/560. I am using a ATi artic cooler v4 (Ill too mod it to allow a duct for a cooling with fresher air). My Usual temps while running are 32 degrees Idle and 58 loaded. Im going 59-60 now with the hack.

Da Dego · 29th Sep 2005, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Firehed

Well also remember, going from 40fps to 30fps is drastically different than going from 100fps to 90fps.

The thread said from 60fps to 50fps...but like I said, tis unverified until nemesis80's reply.

nemesis80 · 29th Sep 2005, 22:15

In fps, I was down 100-110 fps, and im doing 71-75fps with all setting set up to high, the lost is tollerable, and not noticable, I didnt get any slow down in games.

guezz · 30th Sep 2005, 01:39

Just a correction on the article:

All ATI cards featuring DX9 can use Transparency AA, thus from R3XX.

I repeat, this is a feature not only for R4X0 cards!

9500 (R300)

9600 Pro (R350)

Da Dego · 30th Sep 2005, 02:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by guezz

Just a correction on the article:

All ATI cards featuring DX9 can use Transparency AA, thus from R3XX.

I repeat, this is a feature not only for R4X0 cards!

Further proof that the Radeon 9500-9800 pwned NVidia's behind...

Now why the @$!# wasn't this advertised as a feature then?!! GAAAH! I'd never have bought that crummy fx5 series...

automagsrock · 30th Sep 2005, 05:32

Damn, I should have kept my 9600XT instead of getting my 6600

digitalwanderer · 30th Sep 2005, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Da Dego

Now why the @$!# wasn't this advertised as a feature then?!! GAAAH! I'd never have bought that crummy fx5 series...

They're probably saving it for an R520 debut surprise, that or all the bugs aren't quite out of it yet...I got some e-mails in to ATi trying to find out, but I have a feeling I won't be hearing anything until release about it. (They always get tight-lipped right near the end. )

RotoSequence · 30th Sep 2005, 15:13

I was wondering why HL2 was looking so sexy on my 9800 Pro

digitalwanderer · 30th Sep 2005, 15:19

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Originally Posted by RotoSequence

I was wondering why HL2 was looking so sexy on my 9800 Pro

I re-downloaded HL2 & CS:S last night just to see the chainlink fences in the beginning and they were just fracking incredibly crisp...it was beautiful.

And GTA...

This still doesn't help in shader busted AA games though, Spider-man Ultimate and BloodRayne2 still got funkiness going down...but I'm very enthused!

I'm trying like hell to get hold of Terry Makedon about this, but am having no luck...I think he's hiding so he doesn't have to tell me he can't tell me yet.

tank_rider · 30th Sep 2005, 15:21

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Originally Posted by RotoSequence

I was wondering why HL2 was looking so sexy on my 9800 Pro

Unless you have the cracked drivers then you arent using it!!

is there any news on whether this can be enabled on the nvidia 6 series cards? The difference in image quality is stunning and i want me a part of that if i can

digitalwanderer · 30th Sep 2005, 15:56

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Originally Posted by tank_rider

is there any news on whether this can be enabled on the nvidia 6 series cards? The difference in image quality is stunning and i want me a part of that if i can

nVidia has their own version of dealing with transparent AA and I don't think their hardware supports multiple AA patterns. (nV40 didn't, I ain't up to speed on nV50 to be honest )

Tim S · 30th Sep 2005, 16:43

Hi digi, good to see you over here

29th Sep 2005, 16:55	#1
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29th Sep 2005, 18:30	#2
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29th Sep 2005, 21:08	#4
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29th Sep 2005, 21:29	#6
nemesis80 Modder Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: canada Posts: 52	Ive just tried it, ( sorry if ive been a little rash) there is a better visual in games, not much of a drop, hl2 just dropped by 5 frames, however, there was a temperature gain higher then usual, around 2 to 5 degrees for me, dunno about the others. The games are loocking better, but I would recommend a decent screen and to use at least a 1024X768 setup to see the difference better. __________________ Asus P4P800 SE\|P4 3.0E @ 3.6ghz \|Utra 1536 mb PC3200 dual channel\|Maxtor 80gb\| Maxtor 120gb\|Saphire X800 pro vivo-> xt pe @550/560\|Artic Cooling V4\|Thermalright xp-120\|Lian Li pc-6077

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29th Sep 2005, 21:55	#9
nemesis80 Modder Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: canada Posts: 52	I'm using a Sapphire X800 pro vivo flashed to an Xt pe and im overclocked to a 560/560. I am using a ATi artic cooler v4 (Ill too mod it to allow a duct for a cooling with fresher air). My Usual temps while running are 32 degrees Idle and 58 loaded. Im going 59-60 now with the hack. __________________ Asus P4P800 SE\|P4 3.0E @ 3.6ghz \|Utra 1536 mb PC3200 dual channel\|Maxtor 80gb\| Maxtor 120gb\|Saphire X800 pro vivo-> xt pe @550/560\|Artic Cooling V4\|Thermalright xp-120\|Lian Li pc-6077

29th Sep 2005, 22:15	#11
nemesis80 Modder Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: canada Posts: 52	In fps, I was down 100-110 fps, and im doing 71-75fps with all setting set up to high, the lost is tollerable, and not noticable, I didnt get any slow down in games. __________________ Asus P4P800 SE\|P4 3.0E @ 3.6ghz \|Utra 1536 mb PC3200 dual channel\|Maxtor 80gb\| Maxtor 120gb\|Saphire X800 pro vivo-> xt pe @550/560\|Artic Cooling V4\|Thermalright xp-120\|Lian Li pc-6077

30th Sep 2005, 01:39	#12
guezz What's a Dremel? Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 4	Just a correction on the article: All ATI cards featuring DX9 can use Transparency AA, thus from R3XX. I repeat, this is a feature not only for R4X0 cards! 9500 (R300) 9600 Pro (R350)

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