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The_Pope · 6th Dec 2005, 13:53

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/12..._blu_ray_50gb/

DivineSin · 6th Dec 2005, 14:00

Wow i'm surprised they are already ready to produce the media, congrats to them. I do hower have to disagree with the boxset comment, it really has to do with the content within the boxset rather than the boxset itself. I would MUCH rather have a single disk with all the features on it rather than a 6-12 dvd's in a cumbersome boxset. This would be a godsend to me actually, as space is a considerable factor, and i HATE switching between 2 cd's for duel-disk movie sets. its absolutely annoying to have to switch disks after watching a movie to see the special features, takes you right out of the mood.

Hamish · 6th Dec 2005, 14:16

omg woot, im hoping this is another nail in the coffin for crappy hd-dvd

now i just need a slot-loading, sata, BD-RW

Nature · 6th Dec 2005, 14:27

I think Bit-tech produced an article a month and a half ago about blue-ray discs being the last stage in the physical distribution era. Meaning that after Blue ray has reached 200 GB or so, everything from then on will be digitally bought, sent, stored and maintained with only the KB per second being the factual difference.

I especially liked the Simpsons Episode where they had a landfill reserved for DVDs

You can bet your ass Blue ray Roms will cost more than DvD Roms did when they came through...

kiljoi · 6th Dec 2005, 16:57

I want to hear more about that holographic meadia. 300GB per disc is right up my alley.

stephen2002 · 6th Dec 2005, 17:13

I really do hope that they use all of that extra space for HD content instead of just trying to squish more stuff onto a single disk. In the case of LOR ... HD would be the best, but in the case of say a TV series, more on a disk is the way to go.

3.5SE · 6th Dec 2005, 17:29

Personally I don't like all the extra junk they throw on DVD's. I'd rather have a higher quality movie or sound on the disc vs. a bunch of useless extras. I've built an HTPC and Media Server. Both have a decent amount of storage HTPC = 940GB, and the Media Server = 2.2TB. A large capacity burnable media would be great for backing up all this data.

I_Slider_I · 6th Dec 2005, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Hamish

omg woot, im hoping this is another nail in the coffin for crappy hd-dvd

now i just need a slot-loading, sata, BD-RW

What about the HTPC implications with the DRM on the BD-RW? From what I hear BD-RW is going to be crammed up the arse with DRM. Whereas HD-DVD is much more friendly for making backups.

Aankhen · 6th Dec 2005, 19:22

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Originally Posted by I_Slider_I

What about the HTPC implications with the DRM on the BD-RW? From what I hear BD-RW is going to be crammed up the arse with DRM. Whereas HD-DVD is much more friendly for making backups.

From what I hear, both BD-RW and HD-DVD are going to have paranoid copy protection. The HD-DVD camp is just trying to make it seem like their copy protection is easier on the customer.

I know I won't be buying any movies on HD-DVD or BD-RW. I'm not paying exorbitant prices for better resolutions in completely locked down formats. Regular DVDs are just fine for the most part.

TJK · 6th Dec 2005, 22:01

3.5SE`what in the world do you need with over 3 TB?? Thats literally hundreds of hours of HD content...
And i also think that the upcoming holographic technology is going to really open a lot of doors so to say. 300 Gb in a year on a disk that once fit 4.7 GB?? thats a huge step, if you ask me. What will be next? Multiple layer holograpy? some giant breakthrough in flash technology? im starting to watch this very closely as I get ready to go to college. I want to possibly go into this field, and its really cool to se how fast we are moving

Nottheking · 6th Dec 2005, 22:38

Well, this is good news to see Blu-Ray start to move to take the lead. I was afraid that it was actually stagnating too much, and in spite of being a clearly superior technology to HD-DVD, it would wind up dead.

As for the complaints that it costs more, unfortunately, the suits in charge of the groups like the MPAA have IQs that would be poor for a glass of water. So what if the end cost of BD-ROM discs winds up being, say, $0.20 a disc instead of the $0.07-0.08 they're used to? It's hardly a change in the profit margin. Best of all, it throws the pirates a REAL curveball, as BD-ROM discs require different manufacturing equipment than DVDs, while HD-DVDs can be made on DVD presses with only slight modifications.

Then again, this is the same MPAA that, like the RIAA, thinks their primary losses are coming from 13-year-olds sharing files on the Internet. Never mind the fact that the prospect of sharing whole movies, especially once we get to HD movies, is patently insane; who has the bandwidth to shoot over a 20GB movie? Instead, these groups ignore all the "bootleggers" that have managed to illicitly acquire "legit" manufacturing equipment, allowing them to crank out thousands upon thousands of "legit" discs that the companies DON'T get paid for, and the copies worm their way not just through Asia and Eastern Europe, but also into the markets that actually CAN afford the legal price.

By switching to BD-ROM, and keeping the manufacturing equipment and process locked tight well enough, they can effectively cut out this whole section of piracy, possibly saving more money than any other move they could make; all forms of DRM would pale in comparison of effectiveness.

s29feb · 6th Dec 2005, 23:01

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Originally Posted by 3.5SE

decent amount of storage HTPC = 940GB

Jeez! I take it this it totally seperate from the rig?

Nezuji · 6th Dec 2005, 23:58

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Originally Posted by Front page story teaser

Panasonic will have 50GB dual-lay BD-ROM discs by the end of the month. Yet even this is not enough storage for some.

That's plenty of storage for me, if it'll get me laid with two girls at once!

Nezuji

speedfreek · 7th Dec 2005, 00:46

I think that blu ray is a better technology because its a new process instead of just a new format mode. Think if you could combine the two to one massive disk. However that will never happen.

The_Pope · 7th Dec 2005, 01:18

Expect a LOT of noise from both Blu-ray and HD-DVD at CES 2006, Jan 5-8. We will be there to report it all, plus see if we can talk to the holographic guys...

"Computer. Activate the EMH"

Firehed · 7th Dec 2005, 02:18

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Originally Posted by 3.5SE

Personally I don't like all the extra junk they throw on DVD's. I'd rather have a higher quality movie or sound on the disc vs. a bunch of useless extras. I've built an HTPC and Media Server. Both have a decent amount of storage HTPC = 940GB, and the Media Server = 2.2TB. A large capacity burnable media would be great for backing up all this data.

One word: Superbit. DTS, DD5.1, and the rest is video, that's it.

Only downside is it's Sony-made, though up until a few weeks ago, that didn't bother me.

Honestly I'm not too excited for either anymore. Mostly due to DRM and whatnot, though the fact that I consider high-def to be absolutely noting more than a marketing buzzword doesn't help. Tack it onto working at a video store and knowing the transition will be superbly messy, and it's about time to break out the aspirine.

You definately can't have too much storage though. I've burned about fifty DVDs in the past month or so, plus crammed my fairly new 300GB drive to bursting. I wouldn't mind a 2.2tb media server... the cost of that one might throw me off a bit though.

Fiver · 7th Dec 2005, 04:32

"with word that 300GB holographic discs could be with us before the end of next year."

Are those the ones that have been "could be with us before the end of next year" since 1998?

50gb is sweet, I just wish they'd make them more ruggedly - I've had to replace some games/albums 2-3 times where they get scratched or stomped on.

I hope Blu-ray wins tbh, aitch-dee-dee-vee-dee is a bit of a mouthful, and 15gb/30gb is 'enough' like 640kb was 'enough'.

DivineSin · 7th Dec 2005, 04:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiver

"with word that 300GB holographic discs could be with us before the end of next year."

Are those the ones that have been "could be with us before the end of next year" since 1998?

50gb is sweet, I just wish they'd make them more ruggedly - I've had to replace some games/albums 2-3 times where they get scratched or stomped on.

I hope Blu-ray wins tbh, aitch-dee-dee-vee-dee is a bit of a mouthful, and 15gb/30gb is 'enough' like 640kb was 'enough'.

The Blu-Ray disks have a protective coating on them, you can literally take a screwdriver to the bottom of the disks and they will still work.

r4tch3t · 7th Dec 2005, 09:32

For holographic storage go here as for blu-ray, it was always going to be implemented as for the PS3, I also like the Idea of having an entire TV series on a single disc instead of 6-12 they currently have. Plus we wont have XBox 360 gouging issues with the protective coating.

I_Slider_I · 7th Dec 2005, 16:33

The topic of having all seasons on a single disk is interesting. It is defenetly more convenient and space saving, however people like to have more things. What's goign to fill up your shelf if you can just have all your shows on one disk? Who is that going to impress?

The format is just too different from DVD. DVD players are still not as great as having an old fasioned VCR, the ability for anybody to quickly and easily record a TV show and take it wherever they want is so much more convenient. Although my parents will still never figure out how to setup the record timer.

Why not find a way to let old DVD players play the new formats, at a down scaled quality and also let videos be more easily recorded, and have a mechanism for storing the point where the video was at last, so when you put it back in you can have the choice of resuming.

6th Dec 2005, 13:53	#1
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Panasonic 50GB Blu-ray is go http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/12..._blu_ray_50gb/

6th Dec 2005, 14:27	#4
Nature Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jinan, China Posts: 417	I think Bit-tech produced an article a month and a half ago about blue-ray discs being the last stage in the physical distribution era. Meaning that after Blue ray has reached 200 GB or so, everything from then on will be digitally bought, sent, stored and maintained with only the KB per second being the factual difference. I especially liked the Simpsons Episode where they had a landfill reserved for DVDs You can bet your ass Blue ray Roms will cost more than DvD Roms did when they came through... __________________ Peace, Love, Empathy, Respect, Generosity, Smiles, and Hugs

6th Dec 2005, 16:57	#5
kiljoi I am a computer king. Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: pants! Posts: 2,302	I want to hear more about that holographic meadia. 300GB per disc is right up my alley. __________________ I NEEED YOU AND TEH GUYS HELP ME TO GET TEH ORANGE BOX WITH WHICH I DONT KNOW I NEED TO KNOW FORM YOU

6th Dec 2005, 17:29	#7
3.5SE Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NY Posts: 88	Personally I don't like all the extra junk they throw on DVD's. I'd rather have a higher quality movie or sound on the disc vs. a bunch of useless extras. I've built an HTPC and Media Server. Both have a decent amount of storage HTPC = 940GB, and the Media Server = 2.2TB. A large capacity burnable media would be great for backing up all this data. __________________ A8N SLI Prem., X2 3800+, 2GB Corsair PC3200, XFX 7800 GT, Lian Li PCV-2000B Case, Antec True Blue 480watt PSU sleeved, 74 GB WD Raptor HD, 160 GB Maxtor HD, Pioneer A09 DVD Burner, Cendyne 106S Slot Load DVD Drive

6th Dec 2005, 22:01	#10
TJK Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 276	3.5SE`what in the world do you need with over 3 TB?? Thats literally hundreds of hours of HD content... And i also think that the upcoming holographic technology is going to really open a lot of doors so to say. 300 Gb in a year on a disk that once fit 4.7 GB?? thats a huge step, if you ask me. What will be next? Multiple layer holograpy? some giant breakthrough in flash technology? im starting to watch this very closely as I get ready to go to college. I want to possibly go into this field, and its really cool to se how fast we are moving __________________ Current specs - AMD 2600+ Mobile - OC'd to 2.05 Ghz, 512 DDR 400, Zalman 7000Cu, a crappy NVidia 64mb video card, and an Abit NF7-S. Dual 200GB PATA drives, and dual 16x dual layer dvd burners

6th Dec 2005, 14:00	#2
DivineSin Ultramodder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 1,251	Wow i'm surprised they are already ready to produce the media, congrats to them. I do hower have to disagree with the boxset comment, it really has to do with the content within the boxset rather than the boxset itself. I would MUCH rather have a single disk with all the features on it rather than a 6-12 dvd's in a cumbersome boxset. This would be a godsend to me actually, as space is a considerable factor, and i HATE switching between 2 cd's for duel-disk movie sets. its absolutely annoying to have to switch disks after watching a movie to see the special features, takes you right out of the mood.

6th Dec 2005, 14:16	#3
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	omg woot, im hoping this is another nail in the coffin for crappy hd-dvd now i just need a slot-loading, sata, BD-RW

6th Dec 2005, 17:13	#6
stephen2002 Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 182	I really do hope that they use all of that extra space for HD content instead of just trying to squish more stuff onto a single disk. In the case of LOR ... HD would be the best, but in the case of say a TV series, more on a disk is the way to go.

6th Dec 2005, 22:38	#11
Nottheking Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 91	Well, this is good news to see Blu-Ray start to move to take the lead. I was afraid that it was actually stagnating too much, and in spite of being a clearly superior technology to HD-DVD, it would wind up dead. As for the complaints that it costs more, unfortunately, the suits in charge of the groups like the MPAA have IQs that would be poor for a glass of water. So what if the end cost of BD-ROM discs winds up being, say, $0.20 a disc instead of the $0.07-0.08 they're used to? It's hardly a change in the profit margin. Best of all, it throws the pirates a REAL curveball, as BD-ROM discs require different manufacturing equipment than DVDs, while HD-DVDs can be made on DVD presses with only slight modifications. Then again, this is the same MPAA that, like the RIAA, thinks their primary losses are coming from 13-year-olds sharing files on the Internet. Never mind the fact that the prospect of sharing whole movies, especially once we get to HD movies, is patently insane; who has the bandwidth to shoot over a 20GB movie? Instead, these groups ignore all the "bootleggers" that have managed to illicitly acquire "legit" manufacturing equipment, allowing them to crank out thousands upon thousands of "legit" discs that the companies DON'T get paid for, and the copies worm their way not just through Asia and Eastern Europe, but also into the markets that actually CAN afford the legal price. By switching to BD-ROM, and keeping the manufacturing equipment and process locked tight well enough, they can effectively cut out this whole section of piracy, possibly saving more money than any other move they could make; all forms of DRM would pale in comparison of effectiveness.

7th Dec 2005, 00:46	#14
speedfreek Ultramodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: SE Wisconsin (us) Posts: 1,439	I think that blu ray is a better technology because its a new process instead of just a new format mode. Think if you could combine the two to one massive disk. However that will never happen.

7th Dec 2005, 01:18	#15
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Expect a LOT of noise from both Blu-ray and HD-DVD at CES 2006, Jan 5-8. We will be there to report it all, plus see if we can talk to the holographic guys... "Computer. Activate the EMH"

7th Dec 2005, 04:32	#17
Fiver Multimodder Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 143	"with word that 300GB holographic discs could be with us before the end of next year." Are those the ones that have been "could be with us before the end of next year" since 1998? 50gb is sweet, I just wish they'd make them more ruggedly - I've had to replace some games/albums 2-3 times where they get scratched or stomped on. I hope Blu-ray wins tbh, aitch-dee-dee-vee-dee is a bit of a mouthful, and 15gb/30gb is 'enough' like 640kb was 'enough'.

7th Dec 2005, 09:32	#19
r4tch3t hmmmm.... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,884	For holographic storage go here as for blu-ray, it was always going to be implemented as for the PS3, I also like the Idea of having an entire TV series on a single disc instead of 6-12 they currently have. Plus we wont have XBox 360 gouging issues with the protective coating. __________________ Fight my Brute The quantum limit of reality might be scaled up because we're all holograms. Obviously. Once more we see that sufficiently advanced physics is indistinguishable from getting really stoned. From here

7th Dec 2005, 16:33	#20
I_Slider_I Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Park Posts: 88	The topic of having all seasons on a single disk is interesting. It is defenetly more convenient and space saving, however people like to have more things. What's goign to fill up your shelf if you can just have all your shows on one disk? Who is that going to impress? The format is just too different from DVD. DVD players are still not as great as having an old fasioned VCR, the ability for anybody to quickly and easily record a TV show and take it wherever they want is so much more convenient. Although my parents will still never figure out how to setup the record timer. Why not find a way to let old DVD players play the new formats, at a down scaled quality and also let videos be more easily recorded, and have a mechanism for storing the point where the video was at last, so when you put it back in you can have the choice of resuming.