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WilHarris · 27th Dec 2005, 17:32

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/12...tzer_new_york/

specofdust · 27th Dec 2005, 18:00

This is cool stuff, but personally, I'm far more in awe of the radical French idea to basicly make all movies and music legally downloadable for the flat rate of $8 a month. Who wouldn't pay $8 a month to get unlimited media.

With regards to the article itself, it is good to know that some people still do fight the good fight, I do wonder though, is there an election coming up that this guy wants to win?

Lowsidex2 · 27th Dec 2005, 18:05

And here I sat thinking NY was useless. Good for him! We all know they are making a killing, I hope actual numbers get published so everyone knows just how bad they are raping us.

.308AR · 27th Dec 2005, 18:30

He needs to mind his own ****ing business. Steve Jobs can say yes or no to the pricing. If the record companies don't agree they can cancel whatever contract they have. If you can't afford it, don't buy it.

Asphix · 27th Dec 2005, 18:54

wow, who is this .308AR guy? Makes me think he works for some large corporation that is profiting directly from music sales of some sort.

A lawyer attempts to push consumer benefit and level the playing field between consumer/corporate and you tell him to mind his own business?

Either you have money invested, never buy anything or just plain lost your head! I think this is a great thing. RIAA has been throwing their weight around far too long. I dont fault them for wanting to make money... but they can't fault me for wanting to save money either. I'm a consumer and as is right now they profit quite heavily.

Da Dego · 27th Dec 2005, 19:04

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Originally Posted by specofdust

With regards to the article itself, it is good to know that some people still do fight the good fight, I do wonder though, is there an election coming up that this guy wants to win?

Hehe...spec, Elliot's been doing this type of stuff since Day 1. First thing he did was go after big insurance companies. Then he fought with mutual fund companies. Essentially, anyone who gets too big for their pants, and seem to think they can charge whatever they darn well please because they're the only game in town...Elliot puts his sights on them and goes in with all guns blazing.

There is a rumor he's targetting price fixing and collusion between the big 4 record labels. Good for him. I seriously will be putting his picture on my wall in my office one day soon...

Mattt · 27th Dec 2005, 20:16

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Originally Posted by .308AR

He needs to mind his own ****ing business. Steve Jobs can say yes or no to the pricing. If the record companies don't agree they can cancel whatever contract they have. If you can't afford it, don't buy it.

damn right, we won't buy it, because everyone knows it is stupidly priced. we will download it for free off the internet and hope the gready companys go bust. which if they continue with there current line of stupid decisions they will

.308AR · 27th Dec 2005, 20:42

I didn't imply you should steal...by don't buy it I mean don't buy it. I don't like what Hollywood thinks so I don't see movies very often. If you think you're better than the RIAA and MPAA you won't steal their product.

Mattt · 27th Dec 2005, 21:02

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Originally Posted by .308AR

I didn't imply you should steal...by don't buy it I mean don't buy it. I don't like what Hollywood thinks so I don't see movies very often. If you think you're better than the RIAA and MPAA you won't steal their product.

I want to listen to music, If i can't afford the extortionate prices charged I will aquire the music via other means. Its there own fault, If they priced fairly I would have no problem with buying there product.

and I would have to do alot more then steal something to be worse then the RIAA and MPAA.

DXR_13KE · 28th Dec 2005, 00:10

This Elliot Spitzer guy is very cool

, and they say that if you dont buy X software or Y music and download it free from the net your goverment loses money, not correct, if i dont download it from the net free i wont buy it period and the governement loses even more cash because people will start to use less internet canceling their internet acounts and people wont buy recordable cds and dvds and hardware to record them, to record stuff they get on the internet and publicity companies will get less cash and spend less on taxes so the gov loose even more cash LOL.
no way in hell will i buy 60min of audio or less for 40 euro or more just because it has a cool cover and ....... i dont know other advantages, they break anyway.

another thing if you were to pay all your musics and have about 50 albums 50x40€ = 2000€ JESUS!!!!!!!= new very good computer. and in a album some albums only have 3 or 4 god musics in 12-18.

woodshop · 28th Dec 2005, 00:28

Thier is something else going on here. NYC just don't up and take a hit for the home team with out some kind of positive return on their part. I Just wonder what it will be.

TJK · 28th Dec 2005, 01:28

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Originally Posted by Mattt

I want to listen to music, If i can't afford the extortionate prices charged I will aquire the music via other means. Its there own fault, If they priced fairly I would have no problem with buying there product.

and I would have to do alot more then steal something to be worse then the RIAA and MPAA.

Awesome - I totally agree. I love elliot - consumer rights all the way. To HELL with DRM and crap like that. I will pay for content - if its convenient, good, and isnt a pain in the A**.

Firehed · 28th Dec 2005, 01:57

I'm finally to the point where I'll refuse to pay for music, no matter how much I like it. There was a recent point where I'd buy it to support the artist, even after getting a lossless copy online. However they've pushed things too far, and I won't even do that anymore. I'll stick with my free lossless copy and take pride in knowing that had they not been gouging me, they actually would have some of my money.

So, good for the consumer. I knew it would only be a matter of time until this happened, as the media industry is the biggest monopoly ever, far worse than Microsoft ever was (at least there ARE other OS choices, especially to us DIY'ers).

My point for buying lossy music with DRM and no physical media and whatnot over iTunes (or whatever) is 39c a song. No DRM, 59c. Lossless, 75c, and including a decent-res scan of the pamphlets and cover art and whatnot, 89c. $2 for the TV shows is fair enough, really just because of bandwidth costs more than anything else. They can charge $50 a song for all I care, but that's just going to reduce sales. As supply and demand laws don't work when the supply is infinate (sans bandwidth costs, which are effectively negligable), finding an optimal point is a bit trickier.

So, yes, RIAA - please force Steve-o into raising prices; it's not as if he's going to say no if it's "raise prices or we shut down the music section of iTMS". You'll find less people buy and profits go down more. Hell, make it so you can only transfer to the iPod once, just to make it more fun. Then hopefully there's at least ONE vaguely intelligent person over there that realizes price and profits are not a linear relationship.

I've said it since day one - you can only piss off your customers so much before they throw morality out the window and get the stuff using alternative methods. I could be the world's richest person and I still wouldn't pay a buck a song when I lose all of the stuff associated with an actual CD, most notably the full quality (and if I were a billionaire, you could bet I'd have a quite nice sound system and would certainly notice the difference!) I know I'm not alone.

Yes, pirated material tends to have the same limitations, minus the DRM. Occasionally it'll include a cover scan or even the booklet. Still lossy, but if I can pay a buck a track or a couple cents worth of bandwidth for the entire album at the same quality level, take a guess at my choice. There's a good chunk of stuff that I WOULD buy over iTunes if the price was right - importing music from Japan tends to not be too cheap (shame there's no iLAC [iLove Aqua Computer] store for my German imports, oh well).

ANYWAYS - yay for us, good for him. It's nice to see a lawyer DEFEND consumers' rights, for a change.

RTT · 28th Dec 2005, 02:24

Would you mess with him?

.308AR · 28th Dec 2005, 03:15

Hell yes. Commie *****. Everyone wonders why more companies go off-shore to do business. This type of cretin is the reason.

LoneArchon · 28th Dec 2005, 03:41

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Originally Posted by .308AR

Hell yes. Commie *****. Everyone wonders why more companies go off-shore to do business. This type of cretin is the reason.

Nope they go to other nations because they can still charge us a boatload and then they can produce thier product for less than they were here in turn increasing profits company. The music industry is overpricing thier product and that is a provible fact as the actual artist makes only a cent or two for each $20 cd sold. The bigwigs at the top just want fatter wallets. The movie industy is sell dvd in china for only what is equal to a few dollars if i movies only costed that price i would buy more of them right now i only buy the ones i think are really good and there only have been a few this year.

zoom314 · 28th Dec 2005, 07:29

Go Elliot and Apple! They both

and no I'm not a Mac user, I'm a dyed in the wool PC user with 3 PCs, If anyone asks.

Meanmotion · 28th Dec 2005, 12:51

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Originally Posted by .308AR

Hell yes. Commie *****. Everyone wonders why more companies go off-shore to do business. This type of cretin is the reason.

You sir, are an imbecile. Go take your mindless ramblings elsewhere.

And to all those people taking this story as an opportunity to try and justify their stealing of music, don't! Most CDs are not over priced, go check out 101cd.com or cd-wow.com, and when they are it tends to be the record shops inflating the price, not the record company. I'm not saying the record companies are saints by any means, just trying to put things into perspective.

specofdust · 28th Dec 2005, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Meanmotion

You sir, are an imbecile. Go take your mindless ramblings elsewhere.

And to all those people taking this story as an opportunity to try and justify their stealing of music, don't! Most CDs are not over priced, go check out 101cd.com or cd-wow.com, and when they are it tends to be the record shops inflating the price, not the record company. I'm not saying the record companies are saints by any means, just trying to put things into perspective.

.308AR has a different opinion then you, its an opinion many people in the world hold, and I'm glad he's here to put it forward, without him, many of the threads in ND and SD would just be one person putting their point forward followed by thirty "Yeah, right on" posts.

As for most CD's not being overpriced, thats wrong, they are overpriced, just because you can get CD's for half the price in CD-Wow compared to HMV doesn't mean the CD's aren't overpriced in CD-WOW.

It's good to know there are people fighting for consumer rights, in positions of relative power, but personally I won't be happy untill the obsolete record industry is gone, I can live without useless middle men charging me £5.

Da Dego · 28th Dec 2005, 14:09

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Originally Posted by specofdust

.308AR has a different opinion then you, its an opinion many people in the world hold, and I'm glad he's here to put it forward, without him, many of the threads in ND and SD would just be one person putting their point forward followed by thirty "Yeah, right on" posts.

Agreed. Meanmotion, that post borders on flaming, I'd appreciate an edit. .308's position may be very different but it has just as much a right to be here as yours.

/Kicks thread back ON TOPIC.

27th Dec 2005, 17:32	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	NYC goes after record companies http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/12...tzer_new_york/

27th Dec 2005, 18:00	#2
specofdust Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 7,607	This is cool stuff, but personally, I'm far more in awe of the radical French idea to basicly make all movies and music legally downloadable for the flat rate of $8 a month. Who wouldn't pay $8 a month to get unlimited media. With regards to the article itself, it is good to know that some people still do fight the good fight, I do wonder though, is there an election coming up that this guy wants to win? __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Mmm bop!

27th Dec 2005, 18:30	#4
.308AR Hypermodder Join Date: May 2005 Location: N. Florida, USA Posts: 752	He needs to mind his own ****ing business. Steve Jobs can say yes or no to the pricing. If the record companies don't agree they can cancel whatever contract they have. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. __________________ “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the Swiss hold the America’s Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance and Germany doesn’t want to go to war.”

27th Dec 2005, 20:42	#8
.308AR Hypermodder Join Date: May 2005 Location: N. Florida, USA Posts: 752	I didn't imply you should steal...by don't buy it I mean don't buy it. I don't like what Hollywood thinks so I don't see movies very often. If you think you're better than the RIAA and MPAA you won't steal their product. __________________ “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the Swiss hold the America’s Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance and Germany doesn’t want to go to war.”

28th Dec 2005, 00:10	#10
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,460	This Elliot Spitzer guy is very cool , and they say that if you dont buy X software or Y music and download it free from the net your goverment loses money, not correct, if i dont download it from the net free i wont buy it period and the governement loses even more cash because people will start to use less internet canceling their internet acounts and people wont buy recordable cds and dvds and hardware to record them, to record stuff they get on the internet and publicity companies will get less cash and spend less on taxes so the gov loose even more cash LOL. no way in hell will i buy 60min of audio or less for 40 euro or more just because it has a cool cover and ....... i dont know other advantages, they break anyway. another thing if you were to pay all your musics and have about 50 albums 50x40€ = 2000€ JESUS!!!!!!!= new very good computer. and in a album some albums only have 3 or 4 god musics in 12-18. __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!

27th Dec 2005, 18:05	#3
Lowsidex2 Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: USA Posts: 224	And here I sat thinking NY was useless. Good for him! We all know they are making a killing, I hope actual numbers get published so everyone knows just how bad they are raping us.

27th Dec 2005, 18:54	#5
Asphix Multimodder Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 192	wow, who is this .308AR guy? Makes me think he works for some large corporation that is profiting directly from music sales of some sort. A lawyer attempts to push consumer benefit and level the playing field between consumer/corporate and you tell him to mind his own business? Either you have money invested, never buy anything or just plain lost your head! I think this is a great thing. RIAA has been throwing their weight around far too long. I dont fault them for wanting to make money... but they can't fault me for wanting to save money either. I'm a consumer and as is right now they profit quite heavily.

28th Dec 2005, 00:28	#11
woodshop UnSeenly Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Depths Of Hades Posts: 1,379	Thier is something else going on here. NYC just don't up and take a hit for the home team with out some kind of positive return on their part. I Just wonder what it will be.

28th Dec 2005, 01:57	#13
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	I'm finally to the point where I'll refuse to pay for music, no matter how much I like it. There was a recent point where I'd buy it to support the artist, even after getting a lossless copy online. However they've pushed things too far, and I won't even do that anymore. I'll stick with my free lossless copy and take pride in knowing that had they not been gouging me, they actually would have some of my money. So, good for the consumer. I knew it would only be a matter of time until this happened, as the media industry is the biggest monopoly ever, far worse than Microsoft ever was (at least there ARE other OS choices, especially to us DIY'ers). My point for buying lossy music with DRM and no physical media and whatnot over iTunes (or whatever) is 39c a song. No DRM, 59c. Lossless, 75c, and including a decent-res scan of the pamphlets and cover art and whatnot, 89c. $2 for the TV shows is fair enough, really just because of bandwidth costs more than anything else. They can charge $50 a song for all I care, but that's just going to reduce sales. As supply and demand laws don't work when the supply is infinate (sans bandwidth costs, which are effectively negligable), finding an optimal point is a bit trickier. So, yes, RIAA - please force Steve-o into raising prices; it's not as if he's going to say no if it's "raise prices or we shut down the music section of iTMS". You'll find less people buy and profits go down more. Hell, make it so you can only transfer to the iPod once, just to make it more fun. Then hopefully there's at least ONE vaguely intelligent person over there that realizes price and profits are not a linear relationship. I've said it since day one - you can only piss off your customers so much before they throw morality out the window and get the stuff using alternative methods. I could be the world's richest person and I still wouldn't pay a buck a song when I lose all of the stuff associated with an actual CD, most notably the full quality (and if I were a billionaire, you could bet I'd have a quite nice sound system and would certainly notice the difference!) I know I'm not alone. Yes, pirated material tends to have the same limitations, minus the DRM. Occasionally it'll include a cover scan or even the booklet. Still lossy, but if I can pay a buck a track or a couple cents worth of bandwidth for the entire album at the same quality level, take a guess at my choice. There's a good chunk of stuff that I WOULD buy over iTunes if the price was right - importing music from Japan tends to not be too cheap (shame there's no iLAC [iLove Aqua Computer] store for my German imports, oh well). ANYWAYS - yay for us, good for him. It's nice to see a lawyer DEFEND consumers' rights, for a change. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

28th Dec 2005, 02:24	#14
RTT bwarp Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Berkshire Posts: 12,981	Would you mess with him? __________________ This post is non-negotiable. All terms and conditions apply. Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics. Even if you win you're still a retard.

28th Dec 2005, 03:15	#15
.308AR Hypermodder Join Date: May 2005 Location: N. Florida, USA Posts: 752	Hell yes. Commie *****. Everyone wonders why more companies go off-shore to do business. This type of cretin is the reason. __________________ “You know the world is going crazy when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the Swiss hold the America’s Cup, France is accusing the US of arrogance and Germany doesn’t want to go to war.”

28th Dec 2005, 07:29	#17
zoom314 Multimodder Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Yermo, CA, USA Posts: 174	Go Elliot and Apple! They both and no I'm not a Mac user, I'm a dyed in the wool PC user with 3 PCs, If anyone asks.