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WilHarris · 11th Jan 2006, 13:28

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/01...e_macbook_pro/

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!™

Tomm · 11th Jan 2006, 13:37

I think you need to look at the hyperlink in the article

I'm very jealous, these look like absolutely awsome machines. I can't really comprehend something 4 times faster than my Powerbook. But I don't like the name at all.

Tim S · 11th Jan 2006, 13:40

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Originally Posted by Tomm

I think you need to look at the hyperlink in the article

The mac gayed it up - fixed.

ch424 · 11th Jan 2006, 13:42

I haven't used a PowerBook extensively: would 4x faster actually make a difference for the applications you would normally run on them? I tried browsing photos on a G4 pb, which was a very poor experience (took ages to load each one, they can't have been more than 1MB each) but I assumed that was because of the harddisk spinning down, as it was on batteries. Would the Intel processor have fixed this?

A few more questions:
How do you install windows without a floppy drive? They use SATA... but call it Serial ATA/100
What's an "ExpressCard/34 slot"?
What's the battery life like? It has a 60-watthour battery, compared with the 72 in my first-gen Centrino Dell which does 3.5 hours. Can we expect 2.5 hours?

ch424

Tim S · 11th Jan 2006, 13:44

ch424, Intel SATA ports are natively supported by Windows XP so you don't need to install SATA drivers via a driver disk.

Also, I would have thought that Yonah/Napia have much better power management/usage than the current Dothan/Sonoma platforms.

Marquee · 11th Jan 2006, 13:49

Dual core on the go. Talk about power on the go. I am a big mac fan. I love love them. Although many times they have done things I don't like. But I like dual core on a laptop though.

Hamish · 11th Jan 2006, 14:00

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Originally Posted by bigz

Also, I would have thought that Yonah/Napia have much better power management/usage than the current Dothan/Sonoma platforms.

from anandtech's review the dual core yonah gave about the same battery life as the dothan did when both were fully loaded
when less than full load the DC yonah outlasted the dothan

i really want a lenovo/ibm core duo based laptop :drool:

rupbert · 11th Jan 2006, 14:29

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Originally Posted by bigz

ch424, Intel SATA ports are natively supported by Windows XP so you don't need to install SATA drivers via a driver disk.

With my WD Raptor and Samsung Spinpoint SATA discs I need to install the SATA raid drivers for windows to see the discs?

Flibster · 11th Jan 2006, 14:29

So..are Apple finally admitting that the current range of macs were pathetically poor performance wise as running a dual core mobile P4 gives them 4x the performance of the old Mac?

So a normal single core chip should be 2x the performance over their old Macs.. Which is what most normal *IE - non mac zealots* have been saying for years..

Simon/~Flibster

Bindibadgi · 11th Jan 2006, 14:39

If you still find it underpowered, the great thing is you can buy an Intel Duo 2.16 and upgrade it, yea? Or wont the mobo support the multiplier increase you recon?

Tim S · 11th Jan 2006, 14:44

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Originally Posted by rupbert

With my WD Raptor and Samsung Spinpoint SATA discs I need to install the SATA raid drivers for windows to see the discs?

That's your motherboard and more specifically your disk controller, it's nothing to do with the drives.

quack · 11th Jan 2006, 15:00

Apple's share price! Rather amusing.

DreamTheEndless · 11th Jan 2006, 15:07

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It was also confirmed that the machines will dual boot with Windows, with the appropriate software configuration. This should mean that users can boot into Windows to enjoy games and then reboot back into OSX for everything else.

By whom? I've been waiting to read the article where someone has done this.

Bindibadgi · 11th Jan 2006, 15:17

Cant remember, but Apple have said for a while that you will be able to do it. Buy a Mac laptop with Mac OS and then been able to use Windows should you absoultely need to still, for those softwares currently only on windows. Makes economic sense and eases the transition to a Mac.

<A88> · 11th Jan 2006, 15:23

The possibility of dual booting with XP (and Vista if it's supported) is incredibly tempting...but the price is still very off putting

Never been a great fan of Macs anyway, but this seems to be bridging the gap a bit. It'll be nice when there isn't any rivalry between pc and mac users to be honest, the bitching has got a bit boring now...

<A88>

Tomm · 11th Jan 2006, 15:54

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Originally Posted by quack

Apple's share price! Rather amusing.

You know you're a geek when... You get that joke

Apple have said they will not stop anyone putting Windows on their machines, but that doesn't mean it will be straightforward. Shuttle didn't say I couldn't put OS X on my Machine, but it isn't easy. I know that's a bit different, but just because Apple won't stop you, doesn't mean that you can just stick in the Windows disks and off you go. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Are they actually shipping these now? I am intruiged as to exactly what you can do with them.

flabber · 11th Jan 2006, 15:59

Well, the PowerMac (PPC) was initially faster then the Pentiums... But that was when the G4 was still a new chip.

The only PPC that was pretty crappy compared to Intell or whatever PC-chip, is the G5. Not because it's lack of power, but it's insane heatproblems. The chip itself had the possibility to be fast, if it weren't for those heatproblems.
So it's not really like the entire PPC-line was slower then the Pentiums, it's only the G5 that sucked.

Some guy named Schiller (if i'm right) , who works at Apple, said that the IntelMacs will run Windows without a (major) problem. Some minor technical knowledge might be nessesery to run it, but they won't try and stop you

These are available for ordering, but will probably ship in February

Gordy · 11th Jan 2006, 16:16

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Originally Posted by mrhaz

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/01...e_macbook_pro/

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!™

Preeeeeeeeeeeeordered!™

Nexxo · 11th Jan 2006, 17:37

A laptop that runs Windows XP but with the design and build quality of a Powerbook?

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!

adam197 · 11th Jan 2006, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Flibster

So a normal single core chip should be 2x the performance over their old Macs.. Which is what most normal *IE - non mac zealots* have been saying for years..

You obviously mean 2x the performance of a 3 year old CPU

Remember (mac fan as I am) you have to take Apple benchmarking with a teaspoon of salt.

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11th Jan 2006, 13:42	#4
ch424 Design Warrior Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 2,514	I haven't used a PowerBook extensively: would 4x faster actually make a difference for the applications you would normally run on them? I tried browsing photos on a G4 pb, which was a very poor experience (took ages to load each one, they can't have been more than 1MB each) but I assumed that was because of the harddisk spinning down, as it was on batteries. Would the Intel processor have fixed this? A few more questions: How do you install windows without a floppy drive? They use SATA... but call it Serial ATA/100 What's an "ExpressCard/34 slot"? What's the battery life like? It has a 60-watthour battery, compared with the 72 in my first-gen Centrino Dell which does 3.5 hours. Can we expect 2.5 hours? ch424

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Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,294	If you still find it underpowered, the great thing is you can buy an Intel Duo 2.16 and upgrade it, yea? Or wont the mobo support the multiplier increase you recon? __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

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Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,294	Cant remember, but Apple have said for a while that you will be able to do it. Buy a Mac laptop with Mac OS and then been able to use Windows should you absoultely need to still, for those softwares currently only on windows. Makes economic sense and eases the transition to a Mac. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

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11th Jan 2006, 15:59	#17
flabber Multimodder Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 122	Well, the PowerMac (PPC) was initially faster then the Pentiums... But that was when the G4 was still a new chip. The only PPC that was pretty crappy compared to Intell or whatever PC-chip, is the G5. Not because it's lack of power, but it's insane heatproblems. The chip itself had the possibility to be fast, if it weren't for those heatproblems. So it's not really like the entire PPC-line was slower then the Pentiums, it's only the G5 that sucked. Some guy named Schiller (if i'm right) , who works at Apple, said that the IntelMacs will run Windows without a (major) problem. Some minor technical knowledge might be nessesery to run it, but they won't try and stop you These are available for ordering, but will probably ship in February

11th Jan 2006, 17:37	#19
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