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WilHarris · 24th Jan 2006, 06:40

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/01...ox_2_features/

Firehed · 24th Jan 2006, 07:06

I wouldn't mind some better bookmark navigation. Not being able to F2-rename drives me insane. RSS handling could definately be better, but there are dozens of extensions out there (Sage is my weapon of choice). I'd like to know how tabbed browsing could possibly get any better, though.

RTT · 24th Jan 2006, 08:33

W00t! It's about time they did something about that crappy live bookmarks rubbish they have going on at the moment.

Hamish · 24th Jan 2006, 09:55

as long as they dont completely change the way livemarks work i dont mind, add some more options (like being able to set how often it refreshes the feed etc) but i love my livemarks, dont break them!
firehed, tabbed browsing there are a couple of features that are missing by default from ff1.5: scrolling through tabs, marking unread tabs with red text, session management (not exactly tabs but..) and pretty much everything else that tab mix plus does, but those 3 are the main ones that i cant do without

MiNiMaL_FuSS · 24th Jan 2006, 10:47

i love firefox, but the only thing that really bugs me is it seems to actually have a load time (all be it around 30 seconds) where-as IE pops up instantly on my rig.

a minor nigle but one i wish could be sorted.

adidas · 24th Jan 2006, 10:51

Firefox has gone completely off-track since version 1.0.4. What was a fast, lean and mean, no-nonsense browser is becoming another piece of bloatware.

With a dozen tabs including flash or video content, it now takes up to 500megs of ram on my box. Leave it open overnight and it leaked so much it hangs.

I don't need 'live bookmarks', or fancy skins. I just need a web browser that works and doesn't crash.

As for the 'squashing of easy bugs' (emphasis mine), me thinks at least I don't have any high expectations for the 2.0 release.

Hamish · 24th Jan 2006, 12:40

what really confuses me is that the memory leak was fixed in deer park alpha 2 but came back for ff 1.5 :\

MrWillyWonka · 24th Jan 2006, 12:46

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Originally Posted by Hamish

what really confuses me is that the memory leak was fixed in deer park alpha 2 but came back for ff 1.5 :\

That's what I heard too, but didn't realise it came back. Right now with just two ff windows open, I'm using nearly 100MB of RAM, which is a bit silly.

But I don't have any loading problems with ff, it is usable as soon as I log into windows.

MiNiMaL_FuSS · 24th Jan 2006, 12:51

with ur rig id expect it to be too

Hamish · 24th Jan 2006, 12:53

easiest way to test is load up a very image heavy thread (porn threads ***

) check memory usage, kill the tab and check memory usage again
in deer park a2 it went back down to normal but ff 1.5 doesnt

i only use 5 extensions in my ff now, tab mix plus, adblock, ietab, image zoom and download statusbar

Hybr1d · 24th Jan 2006, 12:58

"A spell-check right within the browser, without having to go download an extension? Now there will be no excuse for bad speelong!"

...

I think they should have left it where 1.07 was and just leave feature additions to extentions. They need required resources to be minimized and have a built in Opera-style download manager and password manager and then it is perfect.

kanuslupus · 24th Jan 2006, 14:41

I'm always nervous when claims of better, more intuitive, and interface facelift are mentioned.

It isn't my primary browser now, so I can only hope it is an improvement.

FredsFriend · 24th Jan 2006, 16:11

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Originally Posted by MiNiMaL_FuSS

i love firefox, but the only thing that really bugs me is it seems to actually have a load time (all be it around 30 seconds) where-as IE pops up instantly on my rig.

a minor nigle but one i wish could be sorted.

That is because IE has been embeded in the windows OS, so that it is sort of pre loaded. When you click on the icon it has to load very little, and then display the window. Because of this FF can never match the speed of IE opening.

cpemma · 24th Jan 2006, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Firehed

I'd like to know how tabbed browsing could possibly get any better, though.

Grab hold of the TabMix+ extension and find out. Hopefully they'll bring in more of the features that are in that and the old Tab Browser Extension.

'Undo Closed Tab', with list of recently-closed tabs, 'Merge Windows' when a new one slips through, and 'Session Saver' I like.

Ideally the idea of the lean browser you add just what you want to is good, but too many good extensions get buggy when the Firefox code changes (like with TBE). Integration of some popular mini-features should fix that.

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Originally Posted by Hamish

scrolling through tabs, marking unread tabs with red text, session management (not exactly tabs but..) and pretty much everything else that tab mix plus does, but those 3 are the main ones that i cant do without

Hmmm. I live happily with only 1 of those, perhaps integration is a bad thing after all...

Hamish · 24th Jan 2006, 20:37

scrolling through tabs with the scroll wheel rocks! best way to switch tabs ever
maybe integration is a bad thing but those are the 3 things i'd love to have by default in ff (undo close tab too, forgot about that one) as it'd allow me to drop another extension
i dont mind those features not being in as i just use tab mix plus to get them

Da Dego · 24th Jan 2006, 20:39

I like modularity. Let me download the plugins I need, Mozilla needs to just work on making the smallest, lightest base for me to add to that they can.

TheoGeo · 24th Jan 2006, 23:19

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Originally Posted by adidas

Firefox has gone completely off-track since version 1.0.4. What was a fast, lean and mean, no-nonsense browser is becoming another piece of bloatware.

With a dozen tabs including flash or video content, it now takes up to 500megs of ram on my box. Leave it open overnight and it leaked so much it hangs.

a dozen tabs with flash and video? im not surprised its going a little slow, you try having that many ie windows open, it crawls

and as has been said, ie is embeded into windows, so has less to load.

personaly i think they should offer two versions. one thats simple and just has the basics that can be added to if people want to (for people with slower machines), and another bundled with all the most usefull plugins, like a spellchecker and improved boookmarks etc.

Firefox have to add these extra features because its likely that ie will add them in. people probably wont want to be bothered with instaling plugins (and most dont even know about them). The problem with this is that it slows down the software, which is something that microsoft can easily avoid by integrating it into the operating system. Firefox will never dominate the market simply because people are given internet explorer to begin with and the majority will be happy with that.

There are two ways firefox could have gone: a simple steamlined browser thats fast and has few features, in which case it wouldnt be much faster than ie and would have no noticable advantage to most users or they pack it full of features, which most users will see and think are brilliant and say screw it to the loading times, machines are getting faster anyway and they need features to compete with the next round of ie.

cebla · 25th Jan 2006, 09:59

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Originally Posted by TheoGeo

a dozen tabs with flash and video? im not surprised its going a little slow, you try having that many ie windows open, it crawls

and as has been said, ie is embeded into windows, so has less to load.

I could quite easily have a dozen windows of IE open all with flash or lots of pics without it slowing down a noticable amount. I used to be able to do the same thing in firefox when I first used it before version 1. Back then it loaded faster than IE as well.

I am not sure if im right on this, but I get the impresion that extensions slow firefox down quite a bit and this might be because they are not compiled or something (not sure how they work as I haven't been bothered finding out).

Of the new features the only thing I am looking forward to is the new bookmark features. At the mement when searching it doesn't even search the keywords or the description so wtf is the point of having them?

Confused Fishcake · 25th Jan 2006, 20:59

Adblock, User-agent switcher, and back-is close should all be integrated, as they are all tiny and useful. Go Firefox!

customh · 25th Jan 2006, 22:22

Takes too much memory and loads slow, if only they would fix that id switch back for portable firefox, thats why i am relaly drawn, but ill have to wait.

24th Jan 2006, 06:40	#1
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24th Jan 2006, 07:06	#2
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	I wouldn't mind some better bookmark navigation. Not being able to F2-rename drives me insane. RSS handling could definately be better, but there are dozens of extensions out there (Sage is my weapon of choice). I'd like to know how tabbed browsing could possibly get any better, though. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

24th Jan 2006, 08:33	#3
RTT bwarp Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Berkshire Posts: 12,985	W00t! It's about time they did something about that crappy live bookmarks rubbish they have going on at the moment. __________________ This post is non-negotiable. All terms and conditions apply. Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special Olympics. Even if you win you're still a retard.

24th Jan 2006, 10:47	#5
MiNiMaL_FuSS I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,075	i love firefox, but the only thing that really bugs me is it seems to actually have a load time (all be it around 30 seconds) where-as IE pops up instantly on my rig. a minor nigle but one i wish could be sorted. __________________ -Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery, Take the Present as a Gift-

24th Jan 2006, 10:51	#6
adidas Multimodder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Richmond, Surrey Posts: 72	Off track Firefox has gone completely off-track since version 1.0.4. What was a fast, lean and mean, no-nonsense browser is becoming another piece of bloatware. With a dozen tabs including flash or video content, it now takes up to 500megs of ram on my box. Leave it open overnight and it leaked so much it hangs. I don't need 'live bookmarks', or fancy skins. I just need a web browser that works and doesn't crash. As for the 'squashing of easy bugs' (emphasis mine), me thinks at least I don't have any high expectations for the 2.0 release.

24th Jan 2006, 09:55	#4
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	as long as they dont completely change the way livemarks work i dont mind, add some more options (like being able to set how often it refreshes the feed etc) but i love my livemarks, dont break them! firehed, tabbed browsing there are a couple of features that are missing by default from ff1.5: scrolling through tabs, marking unread tabs with red text, session management (not exactly tabs but..) and pretty much everything else that tab mix plus does, but those 3 are the main ones that i cant do without

24th Jan 2006, 12:40	#7
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	what really confuses me is that the memory leak was fixed in deer park alpha 2 but came back for ff 1.5 :\

24th Jan 2006, 12:51	#9
MiNiMaL_FuSS I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,075	with ur rig id expect it to be too __________________ -Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery, Take the Present as a Gift-

24th Jan 2006, 12:53	#10
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	easiest way to test is load up a very image heavy thread (porn threads *** ) check memory usage, kill the tab and check memory usage again in deer park a2 it went back down to normal but ff 1.5 doesnt i only use 5 extensions in my ff now, tab mix plus, adblock, ietab, image zoom and download statusbar

24th Jan 2006, 12:58	#11
Hybr1d Bаnned Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 883	"A spell-check right within the browser, without having to go download an extension? Now there will be no excuse for bad speelong!" ... I think they should have left it where 1.07 was and just leave feature additions to extentions. They need required resources to be minimized and have a built in Opera-style download manager and password manager and then it is perfect.

24th Jan 2006, 14:41	#12
kanuslupus Hypermodder Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 897	I'm always nervous when claims of better, more intuitive, and interface facelift are mentioned. It isn't my primary browser now, so I can only hope it is an improvement. __________________ Gentoo Linux

24th Jan 2006, 20:37	#15
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	scrolling through tabs with the scroll wheel rocks! best way to switch tabs ever maybe integration is a bad thing but those are the 3 things i'd love to have by default in ff (undo close tab too, forgot about that one) as it'd allow me to drop another extension i dont mind those features not being in as i just use tab mix plus to get them

24th Jan 2006, 20:39	#16
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	I like modularity. Let me download the plugins I need, Mozilla needs to just work on making the smallest, lightest base for me to add to that they can. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

25th Jan 2006, 20:59	#19
Confused Fishcake Hypermodder Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Hertford, UK Posts: 684	Adblock, User-agent switcher, and back-is close should all be integrated, as they are all tiny and useful. Go Firefox! __________________ My Laptop: Inspiron 1501: Turion64 X2 TL-52 @ 1.6GHz, 1GB DDR2, 120GB SATA HD, 256Mb ATI 1150, 15.4" widescreen lcd, 8x DVD+/-RW, running Gentoo amd64. My Server #1: Pentium III @ 500MHz, 192MB DDR, 290GB in total, running headless Gentoo x86. My Server #2: Athlon 4 @ 1.7 GHz, 128MB DDR, 40GB, running headless Gentoo x86.

25th Jan 2006, 22:22	#20
customh conflagration. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,590	Takes too much memory and loads slow, if only they would fix that id switch back for portable firefox, thats why i am relaly drawn, but ill have to wait.