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WilHarris · 8th Mar 2006, 14:20

NVIDIA brings AMD box to Intel shindig
Intel invents 5GHz stock cooler
We benchmark FEAR on Conroe

Morpheon · 8th Mar 2006, 14:44

62C is damn hot for a watercooling system....even at 5.1Ghz...And how can the advertise that on broad level anyway....the takes a village of hardware and settings to gain successful overclock...the "right" ram, mobo, powersupply, voltages, etc...

Nice design thou...not sure out solid tubing is going to work however for obvious reasons...

oh well

mclean007 · 8th Mar 2006, 14:45

I thought Intel's preferred method of dealing with their enemies was to incinerate them with a Prescott?

OdDBaLL_MoD · 8th Mar 2006, 14:46

That prototype cooler defently sounds and looks interesting....

wharrad · 8th Mar 2006, 14:53

watercooling to the masses is a good thing - we get more suppliers for ourselves.

Hope it doesn't stop them keeping the heat in procs down though

Darkedge · 8th Mar 2006, 14:56

sounds interesting but can think of a few problems:
1) CPU has to be in the perfect place on you mobo
2) Cases need to be designed for it
3) how heavy is that rig going to be hanging off your mainboard/processor?

But at least intel are trying new things, they need to

KayinBlack · 8th Mar 2006, 15:26

I think those problems will be less than what you think.

D9 fat bodies are not too difficult to locate for Intel macines, so RAM is fine, and some newer intel boards support overclocking.

In fact, as soon as it becomes available it will be what cools my wife's 820 here at the house. Considering she's got 2 GB of Elpida D9s already, I think we'll have a good old time, don't you?

RotoSequence · 8th Mar 2006, 15:28

That kind of performance is absurd; perhaps its time for watercooling enthusiasts to work on a new generation of pumps; if Intel can do this good, the enthusiast level can certainly do better than current watercooling systems are now.

wafflesomd · 8th Mar 2006, 15:41

i personally think its cool

Kipman725 · 8th Mar 2006, 17:16

well thats better than air and is cheeper than the highest end air coolers so I say it's a good thing

Kipman725 · 8th Mar 2006, 17:17

lol that card :P

webbyman · 8th Mar 2006, 17:36

yeh, personally i think it's a good/great cooling device. :P

LVMike · 8th Mar 2006, 17:57

time to move to a new cooling system. Now that intel has done it every one will think my system isn't l33t enough.
I think that the reason that system is working so well is due to the large surface contact and lack of flow restrictions. But 62C on water ! come on

Fly · 8th Mar 2006, 18:06

erm, that's a 1.2G overclock. I think 62C is reasonable.

hitman012 · 8th Mar 2006, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by LVMike

But 62C on water ! come on

Hardly unreasonable for a hot-running Prescott with a large die anyway overclocked by ~34%. Considering how cool-running the next generation of processors will be, it's more than adequate for anything aside from an insane overclock in the future - it's a very nice piece of engineering.

monkeyville · 8th Mar 2006, 18:23

62 degrees is nothing by intel standards. And at 5Ghz who really cares. I wonder how loud it is though?

RotoSequence · 8th Mar 2006, 21:25

Jesus Christ that CPU really IS fast

I was hoping Bit-Tech would do something to eliminate the possiblity of results fiddling-the "overclocked" FX-60 still looks a little suspicious since it performs worse than a reference FX-60, but that performance is freaking absurd

Intel really pulled out all the stops on Conroe

sgtpeppa · 8th Mar 2006, 21:29

That FEAR score certainly would be impressive if it was anything more than pointless. The CPU may be very impressive (surely looks it), but wouldn't a media encoding related benchmark or something else be more appropriate?

My apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I don't even see why you benchmark processors on games when none of them are CPU limited nowadays. You are forced to use silly graphical levels to make the benchmark show some result. Surely you're not excited about the new revolution in low resolution gaming?

I think the way you treat video card benchmarks is excellent, a great break from the pointless statistics some websites/publications give, but you really need to do something about CPU benchmarks, and probably start by ignoring game performance.

RotoSequence · 8th Mar 2006, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtpeppa

That FEAR score certainly would be impressive if it was anything more than pointless. The CPU may be very impressive (surely looks it), but wouldn't a media encoding related benchmark or something else be more appropriate?

My apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I don't even see why you benchmark processors on games when none of them are CPU limited nowadays. You are forced to use silly graphical levels to make the benchmark show some result. Surely you're not excited about the new revolution in low resolution gaming?

I think the way you treat video card benchmarks is excellent, a great break from the pointless statistics some websites/publications give, but you really need to do something about CPU benchmarks, and probably start by ignoring game performance.

Game performance has already been seen to a fair amount by other webpages, though they werent super high. However, the performance improvements are, essentially, the same. Other benchmarks were done by anandtech, and similar performance is seen across the board, game wise. however, the AMD Processors appear significantly better at encoding benchmarks.

speedfreek · 8th Mar 2006, 21:40

NVIDIA brings AMD box to Intel shindig.

Brought a smile to my face.

The fear benchmark makes me wonder, how could a averclocked fx 60 perform worse than a stock one? It looks a little biased based off that observation. Waiting for bit to investagate this a little.

8th Mar 2006, 14:20	#1
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OdDBaLL_MoD Always planning something... Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 52	That prototype cooler defently sounds and looks interesting....

8th Mar 2006, 14:56	#6
Darkedge Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 334	sounds interesting but can think of a few problems: 1) CPU has to be in the perfect place on you mobo 2) Cases need to be designed for it 3) how heavy is that rig going to be hanging off your mainboard/processor? But at least intel are trying new things, they need to

8th Mar 2006, 15:28	#8
RotoSequence Lazy Lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 'States Posts: 4,529	That kind of performance is absurd; perhaps its time for watercooling enthusiasts to work on a new generation of pumps; if Intel can do this good, the enthusiast level can certainly do better than current watercooling systems are now. __________________ Technology Schmecnology

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8th Mar 2006, 17:36	#12
webbyman Hax. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Uk Posts: 2,758	yeh, personally i think it's a good/great cooling device. :P

8th Mar 2006, 17:57	#13
LVMike Supermodder Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas NV & Rolla MO Posts: 412	time to move to a new cooling system. Now that intel has done it every one will think my system isn't l33t enough. I think that the reason that system is working so well is due to the large surface contact and lack of flow restrictions. But 62C on water ! come on

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RotoSequence Lazy Lurker Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 'States Posts: 4,529	Jesus Christ that CPU really IS fast I was hoping Bit-Tech would do something to eliminate the possiblity of results fiddling-the "overclocked" FX-60 still looks a little suspicious since it performs worse than a reference FX-60, but that performance is freaking absurd Intel really pulled out all the stops on Conroe __________________ Technology Schmecnology

8th Mar 2006, 21:29	#18
sgtpeppa Minimodder Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 21	That FEAR score certainly would be impressive if it was anything more than pointless. The CPU may be very impressive (surely looks it), but wouldn't a media encoding related benchmark or something else be more appropriate? My apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I don't even see why you benchmark processors on games when none of them are CPU limited nowadays. You are forced to use silly graphical levels to make the benchmark show some result. Surely you're not excited about the new revolution in low resolution gaming? I think the way you treat video card benchmarks is excellent, a great break from the pointless statistics some websites/publications give, but you really need to do something about CPU benchmarks, and probably start by ignoring game performance.

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