Doubts over HD DVD support in Vista - bit-tech.net Forums

The_Pope · 16th Mar 2006, 12:40

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/03...vista_support/

sadffffff · 16th Mar 2006, 12:52

isnt this just the way dvd was with XP? you needed to get a player to play the video?

The_Pope · 16th Mar 2006, 12:57

Yes, but they are talking about Windows Vista Home Premium, which will apparently replace Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005.

The difference is that vanilla XP is a desktop OS, but MCE (and therefore Vista Home Premium) are home theater operating systems. What is a home theater if one can't play back DVDs or even HD DVD / blu-ray? That's the issue.

BioSniper · 16th Mar 2006, 13:15

Considering MS is one of the companies pushing HD-DVD you would think they would include a codec for it in their own software.
Still can't say it surprises (and frustrates) me though.

Having said that if Vista stays the same as its latest build (5308) I know I won't be going anywhere near it with a 50ft barge-pole as its way too clunky for people who are used to the current systems. 5-6 seperate menus to do the same at Right click desktop -> properties does in 1? or how about 4-5 menus just to change my IP address? No thanks!

Monkey200SX · 16th Mar 2006, 13:37

its all about money

Buzzons · 16th Mar 2006, 14:07

No its not, if MS bundled it into their software, the EU and other groups would start winging about it etc etc and then sue MS etc etc (take a look at WMP et al)

wharrad · 16th Mar 2006, 14:47

Yep Buzzons, I think you got it there.... They will be in breach of sooo many anti-competition laws unless they included every codec avaliable, so why do it?

mclean007 · 16th Mar 2006, 16:51

Nevertheless, I think DVD is so well established that it is a bit of a joke for MCE to ship without a native DVD codec.

Krazeh · 16th Mar 2006, 17:06

I think you're mistaking codecs with software.

Afaik the cases against Microsoft relate to them supplying software bundled with the OS, by doing so it prevents competition by 3rd party suppliers who have created software with similar functions ie web browsers, media players.

A codec however merely encodes and decodes a data stream, it is independent of software and is useless by itself. The inclusion of a codec in an OS would not prevent competition for 2 reasons, firstly there is likely to be only one codec for a specific format and secondly individuals will still need to obtain a media player of their choice to use the codec.

Kaze22 · 16th Mar 2006, 17:38

LOL Good for MS, if they do include the codecs they might get sued by the European Union for monopolizing next generation video codecs and be forced to strip them out or pay a ludicrous fine. MS just can't win.

wharrad · 17th Mar 2006, 14:05

yeah, with the codec/software thing... They do include the software, like Media Player will play DVD's with the right codec. I did think that a number of companies supplied DVD codecs though - ummm, cyberlink and winDVD spring to mind.

Of course, I'm not sure, as always

EK-MDi · 17th Mar 2006, 14:17

I would say it's worth delaying the operating system just for another month until the codec of the next-generation DVDs are out, so that it can be pre-installed in the OS, ready to be played with out of the box.

Krazeh · 17th Mar 2006, 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by wharrad

yeah, with the codec/software thing... They do include the software, like Media Player will play DVD's with the right codec. I did think that a number of companies supplied DVD codecs though - ummm, cyberlink and winDVD spring to mind.

Of course, I'm not sure, as always

No they provide different software, they all use the same codec within their software tho

customh · 17th Mar 2006, 21:40

Nothing wrong with having to use a plugin IMHO.

DAPUNISHER · 18th Mar 2006, 15:27

Chances are, Microsoft would use a container with too much overhead for my liking anyways.

16th Mar 2006, 12:40	#1
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Krazeh Supermodder Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 451	I think you're mistaking codecs with software. Afaik the cases against Microsoft relate to them supplying software bundled with the OS, by doing so it prevents competition by 3rd party suppliers who have created software with similar functions ie web browsers, media players. A codec however merely encodes and decodes a data stream, it is independent of software and is useless by itself. The inclusion of a codec in an OS would not prevent competition for 2 reasons, firstly there is likely to be only one codec for a specific format and secondly individuals will still need to obtain a media player of their choice to use the codec. __________________ "My name is don don I am pretty elephant Love me well!"

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sadffffff Hypermodder Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: sadffffff Posts: 676	isnt this just the way dvd was with XP? you needed to get a player to play the video?

16th Mar 2006, 12:57	#3
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Yes, but they are talking about Windows Vista Home Premium, which will apparently replace Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005. The difference is that vanilla XP is a desktop OS, but MCE (and therefore Vista Home Premium) are home theater operating systems. What is a home theater if one can't play back DVDs or even HD DVD / blu-ray? That's the issue.

16th Mar 2006, 13:37	#5
Monkey200SX Hypermodder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: England Posts: 604	its all about money

16th Mar 2006, 14:07	#6
Buzzons Mod Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,086	No its not, if MS bundled it into their software, the EU and other groups would start winging about it etc etc and then sue MS etc etc (take a look at WMP et al)

16th Mar 2006, 17:38	#10
Kaze22 Supermodder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 419	LOL Good for MS, if they do include the codecs they might get sued by the European Union for monopolizing next generation video codecs and be forced to strip them out or pay a ludicrous fine. MS just can't win.

17th Mar 2006, 14:05	#11
wharrad Hypermodder Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Burford, Oxfordshire Posts: 866	yeah, with the codec/software thing... They do include the software, like Media Player will play DVD's with the right codec. I did think that a number of companies supplied DVD codecs though - ummm, cyberlink and winDVD spring to mind. Of course, I'm not sure, as always __________________ Jimmy Carr - "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission"

17th Mar 2006, 14:17	#12
EK-MDi Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 210	I would say it's worth delaying the operating system just for another month until the codec of the next-generation DVDs are out, so that it can be pre-installed in the OS, ready to be played with out of the box.

17th Mar 2006, 21:40	#14
customh conflagration. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 2,590	Nothing wrong with having to use a plugin IMHO.

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DAPUNISHER Minimodder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Space Coast of Florida Posts: 40	Chances are, Microsoft would use a container with too much overhead for my liking anyways.