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The_Pope · 21st Mar 2006, 15:48

Their previous 16GB drive was a bit "too small" but by doubling to 32GB, Samsung are reaching capacities that could genuinely replace existing hard drive in ultra portable notebooks.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/03...sh_hard_drive/

Bindibadgi · 21st Mar 2006, 16:02

What about the pagefile though? What's the read/write life on NAND?

Monkey200SX · 21st Mar 2006, 16:03

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=109403

those 2 articals are very interesting wehre i work weve had quite a few HDD's fail due to being dropped from a small height and general use,

what i mean is having the laptop running whilst they drive across a landfill site in a L200 Warrior pretending they are on the last stage of the Paris Dakar, and this causes the heads the break etc. yes i know they could turn the laptop of and it does minimise the problem but when you switch it on record one point (GPS Based Software) then have to switch it off drive for 5 mins across a landfill site then switch back on load software get a GPS fix, test GPS Fix and record point it adds about 15 mins to every point and when there is 100+ points thats alot of time

blackerthanblack · 21st Mar 2006, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

What about the pagefile though? What's the read/write life on NAND?

I'm surprised very little has been mentioned about the life of flash when operated as a hard drive anywhere, considering all the publicity recently.

-EVRE- · 21st Mar 2006, 17:55

I want a flash drive for my pc. would be nice to super fast load times.

offroadracer789 · 21st Mar 2006, 23:07

I wish they would make it either 30 gb or 35 gb, 32 gb is a weird number. Otherwise, i really want it.

Correct me if im wrong, but dont flash drives fill up to their maxiumum capacity with no loss in speed.

If that is so, wouldnt the actual 32 gb capacity be exponentially better than a regular 32 gb harddrive.

Kaze22 · 21st Mar 2006, 23:45

Non Volatile Nand Flash SSD will not work to replace the HDD unless Samsung has managed to bipass its limited write capability. At around 250,000-1million writes per disk on conventional models up to 3million on corporate models, you will find yourself replacing the drive in months if used for todays write intensive applications.
First of all the OS, writes thousands of times per session, through page file swapping and temp folders changes alone, just the act of going online on a regular basis will trigger thousands of writes per day. Not to mention of media work which will trigger more writes than you can shake a stick at.
A solid state drive is only good for government of corporate entities as data security becomes a critical factor and the read of data as appose to the writing of data becomes more vital.
But for any common laptop user, a SSD will fail long before it's Spindle HD counterpart begins to show any signs of wear.
The way I figure non volatile SSD, will only work if used in a hybrid multi-drive environment.
Beware supernerd language coming up.
In order for a laptop to truely function in non-volatile SSD environment, you would need three drives.
1) Boot OS drive - Nand Flash Non Volatile SSD
2) Data Drive - Regular Spindle HDD
3) Temp/Page/Continuous Write - Ram Drive aka Ram Disk
In order for this to work you need to install the Boot OS/Programs files onto the first main Nand Flash SSD, then you move all app page/temp/scratch disk folders over to the Ram Disk which has infinite write and rewrite tolerance.
Then finally you place all working files aka data files onto you're regular HDD.
This Tri-Drive Set up, will ensure fastest boot and system reactions as all running programs will be running directly off Nand Flash, while it will never damage the NandFlash SSD with continuous write and rewrite as all Page/Temp/Scratch Disk Swapping will work on a Ram Drive which is made for thrashing, and then to compensate for data that needs to be moved in large chunks and require space and write durability we have all data being written on HDD.
Only this TriDrive Hybrid will truely pave the way for future computing, a single Nand Flash SSD is just not gonna cut for everyday sustained usage.

B3CK · 22nd Mar 2006, 02:19

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Originally Posted by Kaze22

Non Volatile Nand Flash SSD will not work to replace the HDD unless Samsung
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Only this TriDrive Hybrid will truely pave the way for future computing, a single Nand Flash SSD is just not gonna cut for everyday sustained usage.

I would agree as well. Although we all would prefer a dual HD setup. Why not just the traditional, and ram drive? Use a boot loader to copy needed files to ram drive for fast start, or an upgraded bios. Then use the ram drive for all of your boot, intinsive, and fast work, allowing the traditional HD to provide the capacity.
Flash drive? I say use that for the next gen USB, or Thumb Drive. How about the portable media player? Why not the PDA, cell phones, or next gen portable game system? For a pc, I see it's use as very limited. I would expect to see those for harsh environment pc's as described above.

Aankhen · 22nd Mar 2006, 10:08

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Uses less power: one third less actually - 0.5W vs 1.5W

Shouldn't that be "one third as much as the older drive" or "two thirds less"?

Kaze22, that tri-drive thing sounds good to me. Are you taking orders?

jerseydevil · 31st Mar 2006, 03:13

Are there any ss memory desktop devices available now that boot from the ss memory?

davethadawg · 31st Mar 2006, 03:18

wow nice :P i want 1 :P

JADS · 31st Mar 2006, 08:02

Now what they could do is install 1-2GB of very cheap memory, latencies and operating speed don't matter (PC-66 SDRAM would do!), connect it up via a 1-4x PCI-E interface, and simply use it as a RAM disk to put the page file on.

Ok 250-1000MB/s isn't lightning fast, but it is a lot better than putting the page file on a normal hard drive.

As for the Samsung drive I think it is a good thing providing it has a very high number of writes before failure.

The_Pope · 31st Mar 2006, 09:45

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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

What about the pagefile though? What's the read/write life on NAND?

I asked about this and apparently for a regular user, reads MASSIVELY outweigh writes, even including swapfile (unless maybe you're using XP with only 64MB of system RAM).

These drives have something like an 8 year life with regular use, based on the MTBF for read / write.

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Kaze22 Supermodder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 419	Non Volatile Nand Flash SSD will not work to replace the HDD unless Samsung has managed to bipass its limited write capability. At around 250,000-1million writes per disk on conventional models up to 3million on corporate models, you will find yourself replacing the drive in months if used for todays write intensive applications. First of all the OS, writes thousands of times per session, through page file swapping and temp folders changes alone, just the act of going online on a regular basis will trigger thousands of writes per day. Not to mention of media work which will trigger more writes than you can shake a stick at. A solid state drive is only good for government of corporate entities as data security becomes a critical factor and the read of data as appose to the writing of data becomes more vital. But for any common laptop user, a SSD will fail long before it's Spindle HD counterpart begins to show any signs of wear. The way I figure non volatile SSD, will only work if used in a hybrid multi-drive environment. Beware supernerd language coming up. In order for a laptop to truely function in non-volatile SSD environment, you would need three drives. 1) Boot OS drive - Nand Flash Non Volatile SSD 2) Data Drive - Regular Spindle HDD 3) Temp/Page/Continuous Write - Ram Drive aka Ram Disk In order for this to work you need to install the Boot OS/Programs files onto the first main Nand Flash SSD, then you move all app page/temp/scratch disk folders over to the Ram Disk which has infinite write and rewrite tolerance. Then finally you place all working files aka data files onto you're regular HDD. This Tri-Drive Set up, will ensure fastest boot and system reactions as all running programs will be running directly off Nand Flash, while it will never damage the NandFlash SSD with continuous write and rewrite as all Page/Temp/Scratch Disk Swapping will work on a Ram Drive which is made for thrashing, and then to compensate for data that needs to be moved in large chunks and require space and write durability we have all data being written on HDD. Only this TriDrive Hybrid will truely pave the way for future computing, a single Nand Flash SSD is just not gonna cut for everyday sustained usage. Last edited by Kaze22; 21st Mar 2006 at 23:59.

21st Mar 2006, 16:03	#3
Monkey200SX Hypermodder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: England Posts: 604	http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=109403 those 2 articals are very interesting wehre i work weve had quite a few HDD's fail due to being dropped from a small height and general use, what i mean is having the laptop running whilst they drive across a landfill site in a L200 Warrior pretending they are on the last stage of the Paris Dakar, and this causes the heads the break etc. yes i know they could turn the laptop of and it does minimise the problem but when you switch it on record one point (GPS Based Software) then have to switch it off drive for 5 mins across a landfill site then switch back on load software get a GPS fix, test GPS Fix and record point it adds about 15 mins to every point and when there is 100+ points thats alot of time

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