Garry's mod to charge via Steam - bit-tech.net Forums

WilHarris · 18th Apr 2006, 08:50

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/04..._charge_steam/

Tulatin · 18th Apr 2006, 08:58

**** you valve. CS Stayed free, hell, 1.6 still even IS free. I understand you guys have programmers to pay but still, charging us for something that was free? Excuse me while i go get my breathing mask that measures the length, depth, and frequencies of the breaths i take, then bills my account apporpriately for the city, which then inexpliably shuts off when i'm broke.

nphekted · 18th Apr 2006, 09:03

Besides the fact that he was going to stop work anyway, this means that GMod will become immeasurably better. Before, he constantly had problems with the limitations of the Source SDK, but now he has the entire source code to the engine, so he can do anything he wants

BioSniper · 18th Apr 2006, 09:19

I think this is both a good and bad thing.
If he's worked on it many hours (which imsure he has) then he deserves everything he earns from the project having devoted his own time/money/resources to it.
However I fear this may lead to alot of sub-standard mods charging, I also feel that $10 will be seen as far too much by 80% of the community. Only time will tell if it really is a good idea or not.

ch424 · 18th Apr 2006, 10:49

TBH, it's a good thing. If you've ever been to the garrysmod forums, you'll know it's 45,000 noobs, with just a handful of sensible BiT-esque users. If people have to pay (even a nominal amount like $10) it should cut out all the people who behave like 12 year olds. He deserves to be paid for his work, and as he said, there's now little point in it for him without some sort of incentive.

And btw, Still Seeing Breen (watch it now if you haven't) was made without garrys mod!

ch424

Hamish · 18th Apr 2006, 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tulatin

**** you valve. CS Stayed free, hell, 1.6 still even IS free. I understand you guys have programmers to pay but still, charging us for something that was free? Excuse me while i go get my breathing mask that measures the length, depth, and frequencies of the breaths i take, then bills my account apporpriately for the city, which then inexpliably shuts off when i'm broke.

why are you blaming valve?

Quote:

the team behind the mod have made the controversial decision to join forces with Valve and charge for the next update.

the team behind the mod decided they wanted to join with valve and charge for it, its not like valve have said they're going to stop it from working if they dont join up and start charging for it....

and besides you can still use the current version for free, just like you can with cs 1.6
there are 2 options here, he joins with valve and charges for subsequent versions whilst you get the current version for free
OR
you get no more new versions

Bindibadgi · 18th Apr 2006, 10:59

and it's only $10, that's hardly bank breaking, and it supports his work.

The_Pope · 18th Apr 2006, 11:02

I've never used it, and I imagine that the current / old version will remain free for people to tinker with. I probably wouldn't pay $10 to muck around with something like that from scratch, but for people who are actively using it (and benefiting as a result) I hardly think a $10 donation to access new features is going to kill anyone.

It's a free market people: he's offering something you can't get anywhere else, so he can get away with charging for it. Either people will pay up, or someone else can spend months producing a similar thing and then give that away for nothing if they choose.

whisperwolf · 18th Apr 2006, 11:12

or people can sulk and moan about how they now have to pay for a new version of something that was free for a good few days before opting for options 1 or 2.

quack · 18th Apr 2006, 11:39

I've visited the Gmod forums, and they're terrible. I can't believe people actually bother posting there. You can be autobanned for spelling something wrong or typing "lol". It hardly cut down on the idiots posting stuff, since they'd just come back again with a new nickname. The number of threads I tried to read through with BANNED under everyone's nicks... ugh.

I'm glad bit ain't like that.

If Garry wants to charge for his mod, that's his prerogative. After all he did it in his free time, why not get paid for something you love doing?

Firehed · 18th Apr 2006, 12:55

Can't be a whole lot worse than the steampowered forums, I figure.

The guy(s) has every right to charge for it, and while I tried it for about five minutes myself and really couldn't figure it out, nor the point of it, I've seen some pretty sweet things come from it. Anything that cuts down on n00bism is okay in my books, even if that's not the purpose.

Garside · 18th Apr 2006, 13:54

Didn't realise "still seeing breen" wasn't made with Garry's mod - apologies for bad information!

It's still awesome though and very similar to some of the machianima that has been coming out of Garry's mod for a while.

_Kat_ · 18th Apr 2006, 14:14

This is agood thing for the fans. I never liked Gmod. I would pay the 10 bucks IF there would be some really cool game modes but the one's that are already in can't compete with DM, TDM or CTF. These OLD gamemodes are still better then anything that's in Gmod. Of course CTF was a mod for Quake and now it's a super hit gamemode used in almost every arcade game (UT/UT2003/UT2004/UT2007).

Malfoleo · 18th Apr 2006, 16:20

I'm glad I got credit for submitting this last friday

hitman012 · 18th Apr 2006, 16:30

Garry and his team put a lot of hard work into this project, and ultimately it's up to him whether he wants to give away that work for nothing or charge money for it. He has a right to make something for the time he invests in writing the mod.

$10 is hardly a princely sum, and it can only improve the mod by giving him more time, resources and close co-operation with Valve. In my opinion, it's definitely worth it.

speedfreek · 19th Apr 2006, 01:41

As long as nothing gets nerfed or removed I wouldnt mind the $10 one time fee as long as the old version dosent get messed up somehow with a steam update. I had enough fun in it and with the mods I installed it made it even better.

18th Apr 2006, 08:50	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	Garry's mod to charge via Steam http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/04..._charge_steam/

18th Apr 2006, 08:58	#2
Tulatin The Froggy Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 2,942	**** you valve. CS Stayed free, hell, 1.6 still even IS free. I understand you guys have programmers to pay but still, charging us for something that was free? Excuse me while i go get my breathing mask that measures the length, depth, and frequencies of the breaths i take, then bills my account apporpriately for the city, which then inexpliably shuts off when i'm broke. __________________ Desky E8400 @ 4.0 1.42v; P5K-E WiFi; 4x1 Kingmax Mars 1066 @ 1129 CAS 5; 2x [TOO CHEAP TO SPONSOR] 4850 @ 675/1050; Enermax Liberty; WCing in a CM690

18th Apr 2006, 09:19	#4
BioSniper I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere in the south Posts: 3,462	I think this is both a good and bad thing. If he's worked on it many hours (which imsure he has) then he deserves everything he earns from the project having devoted his own time/money/resources to it. However I fear this may lead to alot of sub-standard mods charging, I also feel that $10 will be seen as far too much by 80% of the community. Only time will tell if it really is a good idea or not. __________________ My Flickr :: Bit-tech Flickr Wii: 1792 1527 2926 7945 :: Xbox Live: BioSnipr :: PSN: Biosnipr

18th Apr 2006, 10:59	#7
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,293	and it's only $10, that's hardly bank breaking, and it supports his work. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

18th Apr 2006, 11:12	#9
whisperwolf Ultramodder Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,194	or people can sulk and moan about how they now have to pay for a new version of something that was free for a good few days before opting for options 1 or 2. __________________ "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. " Voltaire. My Flickr

18th Apr 2006, 09:03	#3
nphekted Modder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Yorkshire, UK. Posts: 50	Besides the fact that he was going to stop work anyway, this means that GMod will become immeasurably better. Before, he constantly had problems with the limitations of the Source SDK, but now he has the entire source code to the engine, so he can do anything he wants

18th Apr 2006, 10:49	#5
ch424 Design Warrior Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 2,514	TBH, it's a good thing. If you've ever been to the garrysmod forums, you'll know it's 45,000 noobs, with just a handful of sensible BiT-esque users. If people have to pay (even a nominal amount like $10) it should cut out all the people who behave like 12 year olds. He deserves to be paid for his work, and as he said, there's now little point in it for him without some sort of incentive. And btw, Still Seeing Breen (watch it now if you haven't) was made without garrys mod! ch424

18th Apr 2006, 11:02	#8
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	I've never used it, and I imagine that the current / old version will remain free for people to tinker with. I probably wouldn't pay $10 to muck around with something like that from scratch, but for people who are actively using it (and benefiting as a result) I hardly think a $10 donation to access new features is going to kill anyone. It's a free market people: he's offering something you can't get anywhere else, so he can get away with charging for it. Either people will pay up, or someone else can spend months producing a similar thing and then give that away for nothing if they choose.

18th Apr 2006, 11:39	#10
quack \o/ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,222	I've visited the Gmod forums, and they're terrible. I can't believe people actually bother posting there. You can be autobanned for spelling something wrong or typing "lol". It hardly cut down on the idiots posting stuff, since they'd just come back again with a new nickname. The number of threads I tried to read through with BANNED under everyone's nicks... ugh. I'm glad bit ain't like that. If Garry wants to charge for his mod, that's his prerogative. After all he did it in his free time, why not get paid for something you love doing? __________________ Denying Rights to Music lovers. Denying Rights to Movie lovers.

18th Apr 2006, 12:55	#11
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	Can't be a whole lot worse than the steampowered forums, I figure. The guy(s) has every right to charge for it, and while I tried it for about five minutes myself and really couldn't figure it out, nor the point of it, I've seen some pretty sweet things come from it. Anything that cuts down on n00bism is okay in my books, even if that's not the purpose. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

18th Apr 2006, 13:54	#12
Garside Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London Posts: 395	Didn't realise "still seeing breen" wasn't made with Garry's mod - apologies for bad information! It's still awesome though and very similar to some of the machianima that has been coming out of Garry's mod for a while.

18th Apr 2006, 14:14	#13
_Kat_ Minimodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 42	This is agood thing for the fans. I never liked Gmod. I would pay the 10 bucks IF there would be some really cool game modes but the one's that are already in can't compete with DM, TDM or CTF. These OLD gamemodes are still better then anything that's in Gmod. Of course CTF was a mod for Quake and now it's a super hit gamemode used in almost every arcade game (UT/UT2003/UT2004/UT2007).

18th Apr 2006, 16:20	#14
Malfoleo I -am- demotivation. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,512	I'm glad I got credit for submitting this last friday __________________ I play with fish all day. And take photos for your sick pleasure.

18th Apr 2006, 16:30	#15
hitman012 What is a Dremel!? Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bristol / London Posts: 4,811	Garry and his team put a lot of hard work into this project, and ultimately it's up to him whether he wants to give away that work for nothing or charge money for it. He has a right to make something for the time he invests in writing the mod. $10 is hardly a princely sum, and it can only improve the mod by giving him more time, resources and close co-operation with Valve. In my opinion, it's definitely worth it. __________________ "Nothing is more practical than a good theory" - Kurt Lewin

19th Apr 2006, 01:41	#16
speedfreek Ultramodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: SE Wisconsin (us) Posts: 1,439	As long as nothing gets nerfed or removed I wouldnt mind the $10 one time fee as long as the old version dosent get messed up somehow with a steam update. I had enough fun in it and with the mods I installed it made it even better. __________________ New Rig, Quad Core and 8800 baby! Now with 6gb of RAM and a nice even 2tb now my server\|Athlon 64 3700(2.64ghz)\|7800gs\|2gb XMS 2-3-3-6\|2tb+ total HD space... In raid\|I have a problem. New Laptop: HP EliteBook, its fast!