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WilHarris · 15th May 2006, 17:41

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/05...es_epp_memory/

Adnuo · 15th May 2006, 18:51

I don't even care about the overclocking -- the amount of time and headaches this will save is enough. So many wasted hours fixing first-builds for people because RAM timings weren't set right. Not to mention all the performance people trash because they don't set RAM timings properly. Easily the most fiddly and sensitive pieces of kit in a computer as far as settings and timings go.

yahooadam · 15th May 2006, 18:58

if it works

fantastic

but ram should allready have "standard" settings built in ... just their not normally 100% correct ...

hitman012 · 15th May 2006, 18:59

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

ibut ram should allready have "standard" settings built in ... just their not normally 100% correct ...

Erm... they do presently have an SPD with standard timings and it is almost always correct. They're set by the manufacturers of the module, who aren't really going to send out millions of units with incorrect timings.

yahooadam · 15th May 2006, 19:10

somtimes manufacturers put the SPD higher (laxxer timings) then the ram is rated at, meaning less "newby" problems

And if it works fine, this new system isnt needed too much, however, it can store more data

But could probably end up causing more problems, beacause its more complicated, and could be incorrect anyway

hitman012 · 15th May 2006, 20:40

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

somtimes manufacturers put the SPD higher (laxxer timings) then the ram is rated at, meaning less "newby" problems

I wouldn't call lax timings - which are only SPD-burned on some modules - "incorrect". They are there to ensure maximum installation ease and avoid "newby problems", as you said. In any case, the people who use the Auto settings (i.e. reading from SPD) can't care that much for the minor performance difference caused by slightly slacker timings; if they thought otherwise, they would set them manually.

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

beacause its more complicated, and could be incorrect anyway

Honestly, you don't have much faith in the RAM manufacturers, do you?

yahooadam · 16th May 2006, 09:22

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Originally Posted by hitman012

Honestly, you don't have much faith in the RAM manufacturers, do you?

not really

the technilogical advancemts on ram havent been substantial, and prices are still about the same ...

flash drives and such have plumeted, but RAM has stayed about the same

im still interesting in what AMD does with their Z-RAM tech, which could be very interesting

Hamish · 16th May 2006, 11:05

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

not really

the technilogical advancemts on ram havent been substantial, and prices are still about the same ...

flash drives and such have plumeted, but RAM has stayed about the same

really? so how much did 2gig of ddr500 cost 5 years ago?

hitman012 · 16th May 2006, 17:41

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

the technilogical advancemts on ram havent been substantial, and prices are still about the same ...

Not substantial? Run your system on 32MB EDO SIMMs and have a look at the performance figures then. DRAM might not appear to be evolving at the same rate as processors, but the bars of speed, capacity and reliability have been continually rising for the past 10 years.

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

flash drives and such have plumeted, but RAM has stayed about the same

To elaborate on Hamish's example: Go back to 2003 and try and purchase 2x1GB of RAM; chances are that it would set you back.. ooh, £220 (checking an old invoice for a gig of PC2700 value). At eBuyer now, two gigs of the same stuff - eBuyer PC2700 Extra Value - will cost you the grand total of £81. Alternatively, spend the same amount as back then right now and you'll be picking up a top-end 2GB kit that'll hit over double the clock speed with tighter timings.

yahooadam · 16th May 2006, 17:43

right lets go look

Crucial.com/uk

Current price
512MB
DDR PC2700 • CL=2.5 • UNBUFFERED • NON-ECC • DDR333 • 2.5V • 64Meg x 64
£32.89 inc Vat

Now with the help of our friend, "the internet archive"
Ok well thanks internet archive, wont load the crucial page

so i dunno then, i think a year ago it was like £40 ish, but i cant really remember

but DDR is meeting the end of its life .... so they might be selling it off

Edit
And by "not substantial"
they havent made any massive advancement since RDRAM, and DDR ram

their still just pimping out this platform, like the P3 architecture (& "netburst") where does it lead you in the end ....

Xen0phobiak · 16th May 2006, 19:50

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

And by "not substantial"
they havent made any massive advancement since RDRAM, and DDR ram

their still just pimping out this platform, like the P3 architecture (& "netburst") where does it lead you in the end ....

Who's pimping P3's?

You are an idiot, first class.

hitman012 · 16th May 2006, 20:00

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

so i dunno then, i think a year ago it was like £40 ish, but i cant really remember

A 21% price drop in a year... that's quite impressive, especially considering that 512MB modules don't really give us a valid comparison anyway. Their price decline has slowed recently, while 1GB modules have soared down in price as they become the norm for mid to high-end systems - as the example that I gave above proved.

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

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And by "not substantial"
they havent made any massive advancement since RDRAM, and DDR ram

I'd call the difference between DDR PC1600 and PC3200 quite a large one, although perhaps not massive. For that, you would have to look at DDR2 - it's taken a while to mature, but it's now moving ahead at a fair pace, with more rapid development to come with increasing usage (due to AMD's upcoming AM2).

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Originally Posted by yahooadam

their still just pimping out this platform, like the P3 architecture (& "netburst") where does it lead you in the end ....

Who's pimping DDR? I don't see the various standards consortia with big flashing adverts talking about how fast DDR is; it's just a standardised technology.

specofdust · 16th May 2006, 20:06

Anyway, back on target...

Do people really care about something like this(not the story, but the module extention). I mean, I'd much prefer over something like this, just a list of timings and voltage settings on my packaging. The last ram I got came with absolutely no information on what voltage to run it at, or what speeds to put it at, on or in the packaging. Now frankly thats sloppy, and I'd sooner see that sorted then more info put in the ram.

Xen0phobiak · 16th May 2006, 20:09

Thats you, for joe bloggs this is a better solution.

specofdust · 16th May 2006, 20:15

Yeah but how can this be aimed at Joe Bloggs? I mean, Joe Bloggs probably doesn't be decent ram, he'll be buying the cheapest ram PCworld have. If he is buying the expensive stuff, he almost certainly won't notice the difference decent timings and crappy timings make, because chances are the egits system will be filled with spyware etc.

hitman012 · 16th May 2006, 20:16

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Originally Posted by specofdust

Yeah but how can this be aimed at Joe Bloggs?

Joe-Bloggs-who-just-built-his-first-PC then

Xen0phobiak · 16th May 2006, 23:02

Or me, who used to care about really tweaking, but now would just like stuff to work out of the box.

yahooadam · 17th May 2006, 00:00

well i was probably wrong

although the fundementals of ram have stayed very much the same

with 1 (or 2) transistors and a capacitor

Hence why Z-Ram sparks my curiosoity

and as memory prices drop, the need for memory increases, so you allways really end up paying the same for your memory

15th May 2006, 17:41	#1
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16th May 2006, 20:06	#13
specofdust Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 7,607	Anyway, back on target... Do people really care about something like this(not the story, but the module extention). I mean, I'd much prefer over something like this, just a list of timings and voltage settings on my packaging. The last ram I got came with absolutely no information on what voltage to run it at, or what speeds to put it at, on or in the packaging. Now frankly thats sloppy, and I'd sooner see that sorted then more info put in the ram. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Mmm bop!

16th May 2006, 20:15	#15
specofdust Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 7,607	Yeah but how can this be aimed at Joe Bloggs? I mean, Joe Bloggs probably doesn't be decent ram, he'll be buying the cheapest ram PCworld have. If he is buying the expensive stuff, he almost certainly won't notice the difference decent timings and crappy timings make, because chances are the egits system will be filled with spyware etc. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Mmm bop!

15th May 2006, 18:51	#2
Adnuo Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 489	I don't even care about the overclocking -- the amount of time and headaches this will save is enough. So many wasted hours fixing first-builds for people because RAM timings weren't set right. Not to mention all the performance people trash because they don't set RAM timings properly. Easily the most fiddly and sensitive pieces of kit in a computer as far as settings and timings go.

15th May 2006, 18:58	#3
yahooadam Ultra csavarkulcs Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,323	if it works fantastic but ram should allready have "standard" settings built in ... just their not normally 100% correct ...

15th May 2006, 19:10	#5
yahooadam Ultra csavarkulcs Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,323	somtimes manufacturers put the SPD higher (laxxer timings) then the ram is rated at, meaning less "newby" problems And if it works fine, this new system isnt needed too much, however, it can store more data But could probably end up causing more problems, beacause its more complicated, and could be incorrect anyway

16th May 2006, 17:43	#10
yahooadam Ultra csavarkulcs Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,323	right lets go look Crucial.com/uk Current price 512MB DDR PC2700 • CL=2.5 • UNBUFFERED • NON-ECC • DDR333 • 2.5V • 64Meg x 64 £32.89 inc Vat Now with the help of our friend, "the internet archive" Ok well thanks internet archive, wont load the crucial page so i dunno then, i think a year ago it was like £40 ish, but i cant really remember but DDR is meeting the end of its life .... so they might be selling it off Edit And by "not substantial" they havent made any massive advancement since RDRAM, and DDR ram their still just pimping out this platform, like the P3 architecture (& "netburst") where does it lead you in the end ....

17th May 2006, 00:00	#18
yahooadam Ultra csavarkulcs Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,323	well i was probably wrong although the fundementals of ram have stayed very much the same with 1 (or 2) transistors and a capacitor Hence why Z-Ram sparks my curiosoity and as memory prices drop, the need for memory increases, so you allways really end up paying the same for your memory