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WilHarris · 19th May 2006, 10:47

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/05...uys_amd_chips/

Paradigm Shifter · 19th May 2006, 10:51

Hm...

Good point. With Conroe and Merom on the way, Intel has a way of fighting back against AMD. However, despite AM2 obviously not being what many people (perhaps erroneously) believed it would be, I don't think AMD are in as much trouble as they could be.

Still, it's a step forward for AMD - and I bet Intel aren't happy.

EK-MDi · 19th May 2006, 12:11

Heehee! What a shocker. I had to read that twice to believe it.
This is great news for AMD

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MiNiMaL_FuSS · 19th May 2006, 13:05

AMD fan boy myself...as most gamers/modders/clockers currently are.

However the nu intel stuff looks like its going to be amazing...although i'll hold my breath until we get it out and get some bench marks, we've seen to many 'fixed' results before.

Risky · 19th May 2006, 13:15

I don't think Dell are exactly scared of Intel, given their volumes.

Would be surprised to see Intel in their (non-alienware) desktops or notebooks though - I don't think their target market demands it as yet.

FIBRE+ · 19th May 2006, 13:35

It can only be a good thing really...

*It should*

-Create brand awareness for AMD within the general public
-Raise the level of competition between AMD and Intel, which means better and cheaper technology quicker.
-Lower the cost of low end machines as Sempr0n builds are so cheap, which should interest more first time pc buyers.

Or AMD will just become big headed money grabbing gits

Not a lot of things live up to the hype, so I'm really not to fussed about AM2 or Conroe until we get the real facts and figures

jakenbake · 19th May 2006, 14:22

i don't think intel needs dell as much as dell needs intel. but the same isn't true for amd... amd needs dell, but dell doesn't need amd as much...

this could be a problem for dell, because i'm sure intel was providing some sort of deal, and i bet that will stop now because of the reason above...

anyway, good news for amd. maybe now they will make some extra cash and get their 65nm up to par.

13en · 19th May 2006, 14:58

I think its great that dell is finally offering an AMD option. So many people I know seem to think that only intel make processors, and have never heard of AMD.

As I'm an AMD fanboy I welcome anything that raises theyre profile, and I don't particularly like intel or theyre CPUs. Not sure why, its just that AMD is a close to a 'small' company as you can get in a billion dollar industry. :P Go, the not-so underdog!

webbyman · 19th May 2006, 15:08

wow, it finally happened lol

i think they should be making the AMD chips more mainstream though

ch424 · 19th May 2006, 15:11

To be honest, I now think of Intel as the underdog, given how much faster AMD chips have been for gaming over the past few years. I also thought it was a bit odd that Dell have brought out AMD parts just as Intel's [truly-]next-gen parts are coming out.

PCPro had a review of a Xeon LV server that looks pretty cool. Dell don't seem to be offering anything based on that though...

ch424

soji · 19th May 2006, 15:16

meh

Spaced_invader · 19th May 2006, 15:41

intel's upcoming conroe product aren't that great if running anything that doesn't fit in it's enourmous 4Mb on die cache. In fact if running something bigger than 4Mb it can at times even be slower, heres for those who want to read up on it.

specofdust · 19th May 2006, 15:56

I too think of Intel as the underdog, or have done, so I've been expecting something like this for a long time. It seems odd they'd choose to do it now though, since it seems AMD are just about to be facing comptetion far ahead of the FX-60, which as far as I know, is still the best AMD chip out.

edit: Spaced Invader, that link of yours compared conroes with A64's Mhz per Mhz. Ok, so they may perform relatively similarly at similiar speeds, but I expect the conroe will have a significantly higher ceiling then the FX-60, so a Mhz Vs. Mhz comparison might not be very telling.

Risky · 19th May 2006, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIBRE+

It can only be a good thing really...

*It should*

-Create brand awareness for AMD within the general public
-Raise the level of competition between AMD and Intel, which means better and cheaper technology quicker.
-Lower the cost of low end machines as Sempr0n builds are so cheap, which should interest more first time pc buyers.

Or AMD will just become big headed money grabbing gits

Not a lot of things live up to the hype, so I'm really not to fussed about AM2 or Conroe until we get the real facts and figures

Except that there's no indication that Dell would use AMD other than in their server line.

liquid_gen · 19th May 2006, 16:40

i personally think this is just dells way of helping intel win the antitrust case. They use amd chips for a bit to help intel out and in a few months when conroe and merom come out they go back to using only intel chips with an actual reason to do so as they seem to offer better performance to what amd currently has to offer

Spaced_invader · 19th May 2006, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by specofdust

Ok, so they may perform relatively similarly at similiar speeds, but I expect the conroe will have a significantly higher ceiling then the FX-60, so a Mhz Vs. Mhz comparison might not be very telling.

Your probably right there, it'll be interesting to see what AMD try to do to compete with intel's new line of chips. Think my mind might still be a bit clouded in favour of AMD lol, let's see what time has to tell on this one.

LockmanX · 19th May 2006, 17:34

My thought is that for Dell to have chosen to go with AMD so close to the launch of Intel's new stuff, they must have been quite dissapointed by it. Could be coincidence but at a time when Dell would usually be touting Intel's new stuff, everyone wants to talk about the AMD deal.

Dell does need AMD. Thier server market share has been growing every year. Unlike with the consumers (general public), you can't sway big business with just marketing. Your product has to be badass too. To me, that's what AMD has been doing.

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i don't think intel needs dell as much as dell needs intel.

Everyone needs Dell. Not so much as in the life of thier company depends on it (we never saw AMD die) but in terms of market share. Dell is still the highest volume computer brand and this AMD deal will probably keep them there for awhile yet.

Overall, Dell shipping AMD is good business sense. Doesn't matter if Intel's new stuff is better. There are still people that will want to exclusivly use AMD.

olly_lewis · 19th May 2006, 21:10

Hell has certainly freezed, over, i thought that the Alienware purchase was the backdoor plan Dell needed to get some AMD contracts signed and settled. But even with them, you're still a n00b.

Marquee · 20th May 2006, 00:00

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OMG the title is so true. Hell Freezes over. I think now because they own Alianware the idea finally hit them that game machines are ment to be AMD. To bad they have decided this when the next gen AMD chip is crapy compared to next gen Intel.

GiGo · 20th May 2006, 11:01

AMD AMD AMD

Im an AMD bloke, have been since I left my P3 500 back 8yrs ago.

Altho saying that still running 2 Intel systems as there used for web browsing, I prefer AMD

poor intel, never mind.

Im sure Dell moving to AMD will make more serious clockers/modders/gamers look at them instead of building there own.

Regards
GiGo

19th May 2006, 10:47	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	Hell freezes over http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/05...uys_amd_chips/

19th May 2006, 10:51	#2
Paradigm Shifter Lethargic Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,213	Hm... Good point. With Conroe and Merom on the way, Intel has a way of fighting back against AMD. However, despite AM2 obviously not being what many people (perhaps erroneously) believed it would be, I don't think AMD are in as much trouble as they could be. Still, it's a step forward for AMD - and I bet Intel aren't happy. __________________ Core i7 920 D0 @ 3.8GHz \| 6GB Corsair 1600MHz \| Gigabyte EX58-UD5 \| XFX 4870X2 2GB \| 4TB \| WUXGA

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19th May 2006, 13:15	#5
Risky Mod Master Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Wiltshire....for a few days more Posts: 2,276	I don't think Dell are exactly scared of Intel, given their volumes. Would be surprised to see Intel in their (non-alienware) desktops or notebooks though - I don't think their target market demands it as yet. __________________ As a rule watercooling can be simple, affordable and effective... I guess I just like to break the rules.

19th May 2006, 13:35	#6
FIBRE+ Ultramodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Oxford Posts: 1,306	It can only be a good thing really... It should -Create brand awareness for AMD within the general public -Raise the level of competition between AMD and Intel, which means better and cheaper technology quicker. -Lower the cost of low end machines as Sempr0n builds are so cheap, which should interest more first time pc buyers. Or AMD will just become big headed money grabbing gits Not a lot of things live up to the hype, so I'm really not to fussed about AM2 or Conroe until we get the real facts and figures __________________ ++ASUS SLI Premium \| X2 3800 @ 2.6ghz \| XP-120 \| 2GB Mushkin \| 8800 GT \| XFI Music \| Seagate 320GB \ Samsung F1 1TB \| 520W Corsair HX \| 23" Dell S2309W ++ ++Zotac 9300 Mini ITX \| Intel E5200 \| Scythe Shuriken \| 2GB Corsair \| 8600 GTS (Passive) \| WD Black 2.5" 320GB \ Samsung F2 Eco 1TB \| Corsair VX 450W \| 42" Panasonic Viera++ ++Canon 400D \| Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4.5 \| Canon 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 \| Sandisk Extreme III 4GB++My Ebay++

19th May 2006, 12:11	#3
EK-MDi Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 210	Heehee! What a shocker. I had to read that twice to believe it. This is great news for AMD .

19th May 2006, 14:22	#7
jakenbake full duplex Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 494	i don't think intel needs dell as much as dell needs intel. but the same isn't true for amd... amd needs dell, but dell doesn't need amd as much... this could be a problem for dell, because i'm sure intel was providing some sort of deal, and i bet that will stop now because of the reason above... anyway, good news for amd. maybe now they will make some extra cash and get their 65nm up to par.

19th May 2006, 14:58	#8
13en Multimodder Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bournemouth / Leicester Posts: 90	I think its great that dell is finally offering an AMD option. So many people I know seem to think that only intel make processors, and have never heard of AMD. As I'm an AMD fanboy I welcome anything that raises theyre profile, and I don't particularly like intel or theyre CPUs. Not sure why, its just that AMD is a close to a 'small' company as you can get in a billion dollar industry. :P Go, the not-so underdog! __________________ CPU:athlon 64 X2 6000+ MOBO:ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe RAM:2048MB OCZ PC2-6400 GFX: gigabyte NV7800GTX Stock cooling atm

19th May 2006, 15:08	#9
webbyman Hax. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Uk Posts: 2,758	wow, it finally happened lol i think they should be making the AMD chips more mainstream though

19th May 2006, 15:11	#10
ch424 Design Warrior Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 2,513	To be honest, I now think of Intel as the underdog, given how much faster AMD chips have been for gaming over the past few years. I also thought it was a bit odd that Dell have brought out AMD parts just as Intel's [truly-]next-gen parts are coming out. PCPro had a review of a Xeon LV server that looks pretty cool. Dell don't seem to be offering anything based on that though... ch424

19th May 2006, 15:16	#11
soji What's a Dremel? Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: London Posts: 10	meh

19th May 2006, 15:41	#12
Spaced_invader Supermodder Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: UK Posts: 493	intel's upcoming conroe product aren't that great if running anything that doesn't fit in it's enourmous 4Mb on die cache. In fact if running something bigger than 4Mb it can at times even be slower, heres for those who want to read up on it. __________________ email me: echo "'1+&9#1)+/6@)0#+/.%20" \| tr "#--/-=" a-z those that should know, know...

19th May 2006, 15:56	#13
specofdust Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 7,619	I too think of Intel as the underdog, or have done, so I've been expecting something like this for a long time. It seems odd they'd choose to do it now though, since it seems AMD are just about to be facing comptetion far ahead of the FX-60, which as far as I know, is still the best AMD chip out. edit: Spaced Invader, that link of yours compared conroes with A64's Mhz per Mhz. Ok, so they may perform relatively similarly at similiar speeds, but I expect the conroe will have a significantly higher ceiling then the FX-60, so a Mhz Vs. Mhz comparison might not be very telling. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Mmm bop!

19th May 2006, 16:40	#15
liquid_gen Supermodder Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 287	i personally think this is just dells way of helping intel win the antitrust case. They use amd chips for a bit to help intel out and in a few months when conroe and merom come out they go back to using only intel chips with an actual reason to do so as they seem to offer better performance to what amd currently has to offer

19th May 2006, 21:10	#18
olly_lewis Hypermodder Join Date: May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 756	Hell has certainly freezed, over, i thought that the Alienware purchase was the backdoor plan Dell needed to get some AMD contracts signed and settled. But even with them, you're still a n00b. __________________ My signature dumped me... ___________

20th May 2006, 00:00	#19
Marquee Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto Canada Posts: 404	HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG the title is so true. Hell Freezes over. I think now because they own Alianware the idea finally hit them that game machines are ment to be AMD. To bad they have decided this when the next gen AMD chip is crapy compared to next gen Intel. __________________ Project Log: Knight Rider CWC

20th May 2006, 11:01	#20
GiGo Call me The Bag Man Join Date: May 2002 Location: Stafford, England, UK Posts: 2,079	AMD AMD AMD Im an AMD bloke, have been since I left my P3 500 back 8yrs ago. Altho saying that still running 2 Intel systems as there used for web browsing, I prefer AMD poor intel, never mind. Im sure Dell moving to AMD will make more serious clockers/modders/gamers look at them instead of building there own. Regards GiGo __________________ :[M3N-HT Deluxe/HDMI]:[AMD64 Dual Core 6000]:[2gb Corsier PC8000]:[3x6800GT 256mb @ 19" VX912 & 2xVP920 & 15"LCD 13" ELO TouchScreen & 17" CRT]::[nVidia 780a @ 17"CRT & 100" HD Projector]:[3xMaxtor 250gb]:[3xMaxtor 250gb]:[3xNEC 16xDVD-RW]:[16x 5Disc Mulitchanger]: :[2xSeagate 200gb-100mb-NAS 3xHitachi 1TB-1gb-NAS]: :[4xSeagate 500gb-FILESSERVER-Dual Gigabit]: