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WilHarris · 25th May 2006, 13:54

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/05...delayed_again/

ContingenctPlan · 25th May 2006, 14:03

I only hope that it works better than the WMP11 beta.

Morpheon · 25th May 2006, 14:17

OH for goodness sake....Bill Gates crack that whip! They are supposed to be programing pirates remember!!!!!!Break out the office couches, Doritos and cases of Moutain Dew and Amp and get it done already!

gpw111 · 25th May 2006, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by ContingenctPlan

I only hope that it works better than the WMP11 beta.

I was quite impressed by wmp11 - of course there are a couple of little problems but thats what you expect with a beta.

Why do u think its so bad?

DougEdey · 25th May 2006, 14:30

It will be ready when its ready.

Ifthey bring it out early and its not done they will be shouted at, if it comes out "late" (remember no definative date has been ever set for release just "we want it to be out by") then people complain.

Meanmotion · 25th May 2006, 14:39

To be fair, there's no excuse for the kind of delays that it's had. I'll still buy it though.

Breach · 25th May 2006, 14:42

Does anyone really even care about Vista anymore? I mean they've cut almost every feature that was supposed to make it a true next step, it is really just a rebuilt XP in the way it looks and feels (and yes I have access to the latest Beta) now.

I think MS is mounting up for a huge failure on thier part. They really should get thier noses out of Googles market and get back to making operating systems which is what they used to be good at.

I think that is why the delays, MS has thier hands in too many cookie jars trying to enter all of these markets. I think that is strange since none of thier competition produces operating systems

lepre · 25th May 2006, 15:31

mark rein from epic games would know what to say:
"two more weeks!"

anyway they should give a real date and everybody will shut up.
it must come out ready and working

yahooadam · 25th May 2006, 16:03

lol microsoft cant keep a deadline

what a suprise

man their coders really need a kick up the ass, as if windows didnt have enough bugs anyway

eddtox · 25th May 2006, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Breach

Does anyone really even care about Vista anymore? I mean they've cut almost every feature that was supposed to make it a true next step, it is really just a rebuilt XP in the way it looks and feels (and yes I have access to the latest Beta) now.

I think MS is mounting up for a huge failure on thier part. They really should get thier noses out of Googles market and get back to making operating systems which is what they used to be good at.

I think that is why the delays, MS has thier hands in too many cookie jars trying to enter all of these markets. I think that is strange since none of thier competition produces operating systems

Totally agree. Except for the "anymore" part: Did anyone EVER care? As I have said before, we haven't finished fixing XP yet.

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Originally Posted by lepre

it must come out ready and working

HAHAHAHA! FAT CHANCE!

-ed out

Paradigm Shifter · 25th May 2006, 18:00

Vista is going to be such an anticlimax when it arrives.

Most of the 'new' features that made it an evolution are gone... and went quite a while back. We'll probably also have to live with bugs that either a) weren't present in XP in any shape or form or b) were fixed in XP, and broken again when they started again from 'scratch'.

The only bonuses I can see for Vista are DX10 and enhanced DRM. The latter is certainly not a plus. And until some AAA titles come out, DX10 isn't going to be all that much to sing about - great, Halo 2.

EK-MDi · 25th May 2006, 21:56

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Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter

Vista is going to be such an anticlimax when it arrives.

Most of the 'new' features that made it an evolution are gone... and went quite a while back. We'll probably also have to live with bugs that either a) weren't present in XP in any shape or form or b) were fixed in XP, and broken again when they started again from 'scratch'.

I'm afraid you're wrong. Vista will be almost perfect, especially when the service pack comes out, for advance virtual folders, and WinFS.

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The only bonuses I can see for Vista are DX10 and enhanced DRM. The latter is certainly not a plus. And until some AAA titles come out, DX10 isn't going to be all that much to sing about - great, Halo 2.

What about the hundred or so other things that you missed. Like a whole new and efficient, more secure and faster networking stack. 64bit extension support, DDR2 and so on memory support, unlimited memory recognition... I could go on forever. You my friend, obviously haven't done your research. Oh and for your information, which you seem to be lacking, DRM will be present in all operating systems, because of the stupid and stingy film publishers who are enforcing that no HD films to be possible to be watched in Hi-Def without the right DRM technology built into the system. Unless you're lucky enough for there to be a hacker who can be bothered to crack it.

Cthippo · 25th May 2006, 22:23

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Originally Posted by EK-MDi

I'm afraid you're wrong. Vista will be almost perfect, especially when the service pack comes out, for advance virtual folders, and WinFS.

What about the hundred or so other things that you missed. Like a whole new and efficient, more secure and faster networking stack. 64bit extension support, DDR2 and so on memory support, unlimited memory recognition... I could go on forever. You my friend, obviously haven't done your research. Oh and for your information, which you seem to be lacking, DRM will be present in all operating systems, because of the stupid and stingy film publishers who are enforcing that no HD films to be possible to be watched in Hi-Def without the right DRM technology built into the system. Unless you're lucky enough for there to be a hacker who can be bothered to crack it.

My God, it sounds like Kaze22 talking about the PS3

hitman012 · 25th May 2006, 22:31

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Originally Posted by EK-MDi

DDR2 and so on memory support, unlimited memory recognition... I could go on forever. You my friend, obviously haven't done your research.

These are hardware features. Are you saying that DDR2 memory won't work with XP? Or perhaps that Windows XP x64 has a practical memory limit?

Paradigm Shifter · 25th May 2006, 22:50

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Originally Posted by EK-MDi

I'm afraid you're wrong. Vista will be almost perfect, especially when the service pack comes out, for advance virtual folders, and WinFS.

When the service pack comes out? And when will that be? Do you know that it will have WinFS in it? 'Cause I don't. I'm only going by Microsoft's previous record... 95; three different versions with varying changes. 98; one 'Service Pack' (Second Edtion). 2000; four Service Packs! XP; two Service Packs and they still don't have all the holes filled. They might have started Vista from scratch, but I still doubt that it'll be 'perfect'... even when they announce the End Of Life cycle.

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Originally Posted by EK-MDi

What about the hundred or so other things that you missed. Like a whole new and efficient, more secure and faster networking stack. 64bit extension support, DDR2 and so on memory support, unlimited memory recognition... I could go on forever. You my friend, obviously haven't done your research. Oh and for your information, which you seem to be lacking, DRM will be present in all operating systems, because of the stupid and stingy film publishers who are enforcing that no HD films to be possible to be watched in Hi-Def without the right DRM technology built into the system. Unless you're lucky enough for there to be a hacker who can be bothered to crack it.

*sigh*

So it's linux, with bonus DRM? Goody. Or XP64 with... well, actual driver support.

yahooadam · 25th May 2006, 23:17

vista will probably be a big disappointment like most of MS's OS's

also Vista does have a memory limit, although atm its years away

DDR2 is just a speed of ram

it doesn't need to be supported by the OS

just like DDR doesn't need to be supported, or SDRAM, or RDRAM

etc etc

seriously do some research

wafflesomd · 25th May 2006, 23:31

Personally, Vista will be a good OS, and give them as much time as they want to get it running great. XP works great and I will be ok with it till Vista. And besids, if you want it that bad, dl the beta.

eddtox · 26th May 2006, 09:14

IMHO, even if vista launches in the summer of 2008 it won't be complete. As Paradigm Shifter pointed out MS OS (or M SOS

) are never complete at release. Most of them are never complete at all. Take XP, for example, do you think it's complete? No chance: there are still more bugs than you can shake a (very large) stick at. As for the service pack, why do we need to wait for a service pack just to make the OS useable? I agree that, as software and hardware advances OSs have to keep up and I wouldn't mind having to download a service pack an year on because things have changed, but needing an SP 3 months on because the OS is FCUK'd is annoying. Oh, and DRM, I'd rather get a DRM "addon" if and when I want to watch HD, than have it jammed down my throat by vista. Oh, and I very much doubt that Linux will have DRM built in.

-ed out

cebla · 26th May 2006, 13:29

I love the MS bashing. Seriously because Linux and Mac OX X are so much better. Damn they are nigh on perfect who ever heard of a bug with with one of them?

I am sure XP has a large number of bugs that I am unaware of, but for me on my system it runs pretty well and almost never crashes (can't remember when the last time was). The thing that pisses me off is that all people are always paying out companies such as MS and saying how they can't code for crap or that damn they suck, but seriously its not as easy as you'd think. I am a software developer by profession and the company I work for has enough bugs and issues in the software we develope and none of our projects are anywhere near as complex as an operating system is.

eddtox · 26th May 2006, 13:51

Look, I'm running XPee on my main machine and it hasn't crashed in months. However, it has been 5 years since its launch and I can tell you that when I first got it I could hardly get through a day without a crash. My problem is that they don't focus on the core experience enough. I don't need a media player built into windows, I don't need a built in web browser, or e-mail client, games, antivirus and firewall and I certainly don't need DRM. What I do want is a stable, secure platform on which I can enjoy these things if and when I want them. We're paying good money for their OS, the least they can do is give use what we want/need. They are taking advantage of the fact the most games and programs are released for windows and therefore people are less likely to abandon it, and screwing us all in the process. IMHO

-ed out

25th May 2006, 13:54	#1
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25th May 2006, 14:17	#3
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25th May 2006, 14:42	#7
Breach Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: WA Posts: 354	Does anyone really even care about Vista anymore? I mean they've cut almost every feature that was supposed to make it a true next step, it is really just a rebuilt XP in the way it looks and feels (and yes I have access to the latest Beta) now. I think MS is mounting up for a huge failure on thier part. They really should get thier noses out of Googles market and get back to making operating systems which is what they used to be good at. I think that is why the delays, MS has thier hands in too many cookie jars trying to enter all of these markets. I think that is strange since none of thier competition produces operating systems __________________ Project :: SSC (Super Sport Computer)

25th May 2006, 15:31	#8
lepre Supermodder Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Italy \| brescia Posts: 256	mark rein from epic games would know what to say: "two more weeks!" anyway they should give a real date and everybody will shut up. it must come out ready and working __________________ Teh Case coming soon............maybe (well...by now it's just a lian li a05b )

25th May 2006, 14:03	#2
ContingenctPlan Minimodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 40	I only hope that it works better than the WMP11 beta.

25th May 2006, 14:30	#5
DougEdey I pwn all your storage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southampton Posts: 13,933	It will be ready when its ready. Ifthey bring it out early and its not done they will be shouted at, if it comes out "late" (remember no definative date has been ever set for release just "we want it to be out by") then people complain.

25th May 2006, 16:03	#9
yahooadam Ultra csavarkulcs Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,323	lol microsoft cant keep a deadline what a suprise man their coders really need a kick up the ass, as if windows didnt have enough bugs anyway

25th May 2006, 18:00	#11
Paradigm Shifter Lethargic Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,210	Vista is going to be such an anticlimax when it arrives. Most of the 'new' features that made it an evolution are gone... and went quite a while back. We'll probably also have to live with bugs that either a) weren't present in XP in any shape or form or b) were fixed in XP, and broken again when they started again from 'scratch'. The only bonuses I can see for Vista are DX10 and enhanced DRM. The latter is certainly not a plus. And until some AAA titles come out, DX10 isn't going to be all that much to sing about - great, Halo 2. __________________ Core i7 920 D0 @ 3.8GHz \| 6GB Corsair 1600MHz \| Gigabyte EX58-UD5 \| XFX 4870X2 2GB \| 4TB \| WUXGA

25th May 2006, 23:17	#16
yahooadam Ultra csavarkulcs Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,323	vista will probably be a big disappointment like most of MS's OS's also Vista does have a memory limit, although atm its years away DDR2 is just a speed of ram it doesn't need to be supported by the OS just like DDR doesn't need to be supported, or SDRAM, or RDRAM etc etc seriously do some research

25th May 2006, 23:31	#17
wafflesomd Hypermodder Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 986	Personally, Vista will be a good OS, and give them as much time as they want to get it running great. XP works great and I will be ok with it till Vista. And besids, if you want it that bad, dl the beta. __________________ http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1466/goldie.gif

26th May 2006, 09:14	#18
eddtox Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medway Posts: 345	IMHO, even if vista launches in the summer of 2008 it won't be complete. As Paradigm Shifter pointed out MS OS (or M SOS ) are never complete at release. Most of them are never complete at all. Take XP, for example, do you think it's complete? No chance: there are still more bugs than you can shake a (very large) stick at. As for the service pack, why do we need to wait for a service pack just to make the OS useable? I agree that, as software and hardware advances OSs have to keep up and I wouldn't mind having to download a service pack an year on because things have changed, but needing an SP 3 months on because the OS is FCUK'd is annoying. Oh, and DRM, I'd rather get a DRM "addon" if and when I want to watch HD, than have it jammed down my throat by vista. Oh, and I very much doubt that Linux will have DRM built in. -ed out

26th May 2006, 13:29	#19
cebla Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 107	I love the MS bashing. Seriously because Linux and Mac OX X are so much better. Damn they are nigh on perfect who ever heard of a bug with with one of them? I am sure XP has a large number of bugs that I am unaware of, but for me on my system it runs pretty well and almost never crashes (can't remember when the last time was). The thing that pisses me off is that all people are always paying out companies such as MS and saying how they can't code for crap or that damn they suck, but seriously its not as easy as you'd think. I am a software developer by profession and the company I work for has enough bugs and issues in the software we develope and none of our projects are anywhere near as complex as an operating system is.

26th May 2006, 13:51	#20
eddtox Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medway Posts: 345	Look, I'm running XPee on my main machine and it hasn't crashed in months. However, it has been 5 years since its launch and I can tell you that when I first got it I could hardly get through a day without a crash. My problem is that they don't focus on the core experience enough. I don't need a media player built into windows, I don't need a built in web browser, or e-mail client, games, antivirus and firewall and I certainly don't need DRM. What I do want is a stable, secure platform on which I can enjoy these things if and when I want them. We're paying good money for their OS, the least they can do is give use what we want/need. They are taking advantage of the fact the most games and programs are released for windows and therefore people are less likely to abandon it, and screwing us all in the process. IMHO -ed out