ATI's R600 is a DirectX9 performer - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 29th Jun 2006, 16:42

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/06...dx9_performer/

Krikkit · 29th Jun 2006, 16:52

Interesting stuff, it should certainly provide some exciting benchmarking opportunities.

As long as they get that bloody cooler sorted... What a failure...

DXR_13KE · 29th Jun 2006, 17:19

quieter cooler + better performance = peace of mind = a sure buy for me

i hope it consumes less power that the previous one

yahooadam · 29th Jun 2006, 17:55

1 of the 2 big complaints i have about ATI is the noise of their coolign solutions (the other being CCC - which i despise)
I think they should make the chips cooler, rather then have to compensate tho ..

perplekks45 · 29th Jun 2006, 20:09

I guess it would all be a bit easier for ATI/nVidia if the mainboard facturers were just giving their boards more space between the 2 PCI-Express slots. 2 slot cooling solutions take a lot of place and might even stop you from upgrading from on board sound to SB or whatever. But they are so heavenly silent.
I expect to be a nice race between G80 and R600 so let the benchmark come fast.

EQC · 29th Jun 2006, 21:45

Most full-sized ATX SLI/Crossfire capable boards, I think, do now allow for a pair of dual slot coolers...but using one usually disables a PCI or PCI-express X1 slot.

A big problem in dealing with the space for a large cooler is that most full-sized cases still have room for only 7 slots total. With 2 dual slot coolers, you've already used 4. If motherboard manufacturers put extra space between the PCI-Express X16 slots and the next slot down, then maybe 6 of the slots on the back of your case aren't usable when you've got 2 high end graphics cards. That leaves just one slot on even the biggest cases for adding a wide variety of items some users might want (sound, physics, PCI SATA/RAID cards, even the extra USB or Firewire ports from internal motherboard connections might be interfered with by a larger cooler). In order to allow for more space, motherboards would have to move beyond the ATX and BTX size limitations and go to a different standard, also requiring a different standard for the cases.

It really is a shame that the coolers on video cards are limited by vertical space between cards...while CPU coolers really can be insanely large by comparison (as long as you can find a way to support the structure). It seems like, to really solve the problem of demanding high performance while keeping the cooling system quiet, we'd have to change the way graphics chips attach to the motherboard -- maybe this leads to AMD's idea of licensing hypertransport and placing extra sockets for graphics cards directly on the motherboard -- this would allow for larger, quieter coolers with huge heatsinks and fans comparable to those available for current CPU's. On the other hand, this might also create the need for graphics ram slots on the motherboard so things could be upgraded...things would become much more complicated, although also more personalizable (add more or faster graphics ram without changing the graphics processor, or vice-versa). Of course, this would require extreme levels of cooperation between AMD (maybe intel too?), Nvidia, and ATI...and much larger motherboards that would probably end up with room for more than 7 slots anyway. hmmph.

steveo_mcg · 29th Jun 2006, 23:10

Though then limiting you to one gpu for the lifetime of your mobo. But perhaps instead of an addin card simply add another zif and memorty slots, then you could add a new gpu and upgrade the current ones ram, still with all the space you need for cooling the bugger. Course that would leave all the card partners with nothing to make.

eddtox · 29th Jun 2006, 23:16

On a side note, has anyone noticed how Nvidia, in the green corner brings out the G(reen)80 and ATi in the red corner brings out the R(ed)600. Just a random thing I saw :P.

-ed out

yahooadam · 30th Jun 2006, 01:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by aon`aTv.gsus666

2 slot cooling solutions take a lot of place and might even stop you from upgrading from on board sound to SB or whatever. But they are so heavenly silent.

cough - ATI uses a dual slot cooler already, that thing weighs a tonne also ..... however it still sounds like a small commercial airliner

scq · 30th Jun 2006, 04:54

Still... NO DX10!!!! That's a travesty.

Firehed · 30th Jun 2006, 05:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddtox

On a side note, has anyone noticed how Nvidia, in the green corner brings out the G(reen)80 and ATi in the red corner brings out the R(ed)600. Just a random thing I saw :P.

-ed out

Couldn't possibly have been GeForce and Radeon, could it?

Anyways, ATI'd have been outright retarded to not care about DX9 performance. I honestly could care less about DX10 until at least six months after it's out, if not a solid year. Current games, or quite a few of them anyways, are compatible back to DX7, and AFAIK DX10 is just a way to force people to buy Vista and new hardware, and not really going to do a whole lot for image quality (if that's wrong, which I hope, do let me know). Of course I'll still break out DX4 games once in a while when I need to get back to my gaming roots (you know, back when DirectX caused all sorts of hellish problems), so I might not be the best person to talk.

eddtox · 30th Jun 2006, 08:44

It could be... BUT IT'S NOT!

-ed out

BossBorot · 30th Jun 2006, 09:21

if the past can tell us anything this is the future of video cards http://www.3dchip.de/Grafikkartenmod...akebitchin.jpg

note this image was a parady of voodoo cards after the first SLI became a sucess.

in the past it went multi cards -> multi chips on a card -> multi cards and multi chips -> vendor goes kapute and new bus interface brings it all back to one gpu/vpu cards.

looks like the first tech bubble all over again woot!

edit : btw is this topic a suprise to anyone if ati didnt make a dx9/dx10 card wtf would they make a ham sandwich? they certainly could cook them fast on their video cards though. Sounds like a good mod a sandwitch cooking video card like frying eggs on a cpu but tastier heck you could make a whole meal.

Bladestorm · 30th Jun 2006, 20:00

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Thanks to the unified architecture that ATI has been creating, its (supposedly) massively high clock-speed chip will not care much whether it is processing DirectX 9.0 or DirectX 10 code. This means that by focusing on making the fastest DirectX 9.0 chip available, it will naturally be a good DirectX 10 performer too.

I'm suddenly reminded of Nvidia's FX series, where performance dives by 2/3 if you enable DirectX9 over the DirectX8 they were fairly fast cards for ...

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EQC Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CA Posts: 220	Most full-sized ATX SLI/Crossfire capable boards, I think, do now allow for a pair of dual slot coolers...but using one usually disables a PCI or PCI-express X1 slot. A big problem in dealing with the space for a large cooler is that most full-sized cases still have room for only 7 slots total. With 2 dual slot coolers, you've already used 4. If motherboard manufacturers put extra space between the PCI-Express X16 slots and the next slot down, then maybe 6 of the slots on the back of your case aren't usable when you've got 2 high end graphics cards. That leaves just one slot on even the biggest cases for adding a wide variety of items some users might want (sound, physics, PCI SATA/RAID cards, even the extra USB or Firewire ports from internal motherboard connections might be interfered with by a larger cooler). In order to allow for more space, motherboards would have to move beyond the ATX and BTX size limitations and go to a different standard, also requiring a different standard for the cases. It really is a shame that the coolers on video cards are limited by vertical space between cards...while CPU coolers really can be insanely large by comparison (as long as you can find a way to support the structure). It seems like, to really solve the problem of demanding high performance while keeping the cooling system quiet, we'd have to change the way graphics chips attach to the motherboard -- maybe this leads to AMD's idea of licensing hypertransport and placing extra sockets for graphics cards directly on the motherboard -- this would allow for larger, quieter coolers with huge heatsinks and fans comparable to those available for current CPU's. On the other hand, this might also create the need for graphics ram slots on the motherboard so things could be upgraded...things would become much more complicated, although also more personalizable (add more or faster graphics ram without changing the graphics processor, or vice-versa). Of course, this would require extreme levels of cooperation between AMD (maybe intel too?), Nvidia, and ATI...and much larger motherboards that would probably end up with room for more than 7 slots anyway. hmmph. Last edited by EQC; 29th Jun 2006 at 21:52.

29th Jun 2006, 17:55	#4
yahooadam Ultra csavarkulcs Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,323	1 of the 2 big complaints i have about ATI is the noise of their coolign solutions (the other being CCC - which i despise) I think they should make the chips cooler, rather then have to compensate tho ..

29th Jun 2006, 23:10	#7
steveo_mcg What owl? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,975	Though then limiting you to one gpu for the lifetime of your mobo. But perhaps instead of an addin card simply add another zif and memorty slots, then you could add a new gpu and upgrade the current ones ram, still with all the space you need for cooling the bugger. Course that would leave all the card partners with nothing to make.

29th Jun 2006, 23:16	#8
eddtox Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medway Posts: 345	On a side note, has anyone noticed how Nvidia, in the green corner brings out the G(reen)80 and ATi in the red corner brings out the R(ed)600. Just a random thing I saw :P. -ed out

30th Jun 2006, 04:54	#10
scq Hypermodder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 783	Still... NO DX10!!!! That's a travesty.

30th Jun 2006, 08:44	#12
eddtox Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medway Posts: 345	It could be... BUT IT'S NOT! -ed out

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BossBorot What's a Dremel? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 7	if the past can tell us anything this is the future of video cards http://www.3dchip.de/Grafikkartenmod...akebitchin.jpg note this image was a parady of voodoo cards after the first SLI became a sucess. in the past it went multi cards -> multi chips on a card -> multi cards and multi chips -> vendor goes kapute and new bus interface brings it all back to one gpu/vpu cards. looks like the first tech bubble all over again woot! edit : btw is this topic a suprise to anyone if ati didnt make a dx9/dx10 card wtf would they make a ham sandwich? they certainly could cook them fast on their video cards though. Sounds like a good mod a sandwitch cooking video card like frying eggs on a cpu but tastier heck you could make a whole meal.