News NVIDIA backs Blu-ray, PS3

[Tim S]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/07...s_blu-ray_ps3/

[DougEdey]

The PS3 is going to last 10 years?!?

[will.]

HA! Thats a big pile of cow poo. It will last 4 or 5 years, then be replaced by the PSThree and then the PSP2 will come out, just in time for the PS4, maximum 6 or 7 years, no way 10.

[DougEdey]

If I'm going to buy a next-generation game console, I'm going to buy a console with next-generation media. It's going to last ten years.

[rupbert]

I'm going to buy a console with next-generation media. It's going to last ten years.

To purchase a console purely because 'it uses next generation media' is absurd.

I'm sick of Sony's arrogance in believing that their loyal PS2 owners will pay £450 to fund yet another proprietary format.

Oh, and the UMD has gone down well hasn't it?...

[Da Dego]

Originally Posted by DougEdey

The PS3 is going to last 10 years?!?

Honestly, that's probably the thing I'd most bet on.

The PS2 is now 5 years old, and is the top-selling console right now. People STILL buy the PS1 when they can find it, which is now over 10 years old, if they don't want to plunk down the $100 for a PS2. It's not that Sony won't release other consoles in the meantime, but history has shown their products have lots of staying power.

I personally think all the Blu-Ray crap is exactly that...crap. But 10 year staying power for the PS3? I'd bet money that statement turns out accurate.

[Swafeman]

Originally Posted by DougEdey

The PS3 is going to last 10 years?!?

I give it 2..


The important thing is you cannot announce a game console for the next ten years and not have Blu-Ray. It's an impossible scenario. If I'm going to buy a next-generation game console, I'm going to buy a console with next-generation media. It's going to last ten years."

What is this guy on about? Your going to buy a PS3 for a ridiculous price because its a next gen DVD player... with a console strapped to the side? The Wii has no next gen drive, but I can gurantee itll be a hell of a lot more fun than a PS3..


Same with the X360... you cant announce a console for 10 years and not have blue ray?

How about HDDVD... its next gen... the 5/10gb per disk advantage isnt that great to make the X360 an impossible scenario

[rupbert]

Originally Posted by Da Dego

But 10 year staying power for the PS3? I'd bet money that statement turns out accurate.

I can't see it myself.

The original Xbox was released in 2002, the Xbox 360 in 2005.

Comparing these at their basic hardware level they are a world apart in terms of performance numbers.

I find it hard to believe that in 5 years time (considering that the PC will still be pushing technological advancements), consumers/gamers will still find the Xbox 360 / PS3 'experience' to be next-generation. One can only imagine how good games will look in 2010.

[Tim S]

The thing is that Xbox 360 doesn't have a HD DVD drive yet. Personally, I don't want an add-on drive connected to my sleek-looking Xbox 360 - Microsoft needs to ship its console with HD DVD embedded, IMO.

I think Jen-Hsun is talking about the digital home and how he thinks PS3 will be a part of that. The 10-year comment is a strange one though.

[rupbert]

Originally Posted by Tim S

The thing is that Xbox 360 doesn't have a HD DVD drive yet. Personally, I don't want an add-on drive connected to my sleek-looking Xbox 360 - Microsoft needs to ship its console with HD DVD embedded, IMO.

It is almost guaranteed that by the end of 2006, the Xbox 360 will come with an integrated HD-DVD player. I think the external HD-DVD player was simply a knee jerk reaction, otherwise why would they not have marketed the upgrade at launch?

Originally Posted by Tim S

I think Jen-Hsun is talking about the digital home and how he thinks PS3 will be a part of that.

I think he was also.

However the PS3 is first and foremost a games console. To speak of the device as something other than this is either arrogance or wishful thinking.

[Killer8]

PS3 will last 10 years the same way Playstation did and PS2 will. That is, it will be replaced in 5 or 6 years with a PS4, but the system will continue to have an audience and enjoy (some) support beyond that, for up to 10 years. For example, Madden 2005 was made available for the original Playstation, 10 years after the machine first launched in Japan.

PS2 will be 7 years old next March, and it's still looking strong at that point. In fact, it should still see an audience and a certain level of support past 10 years, IMO. (Partially because Sony is creating a new high-end with the PS3 pricing, making a dual-platform strategy more possible, and partially because PS2 is so crazily popular still).

[Tim S]

Originally Posted by rupbert

It is almost guaranteed that by the end of 2006, the Xbox 360 will come with an integrated HD-DVD player. I think the external HD-DVD player was simply a knee jerk reaction, otherwise why would they not have marketed the upgrade at launch?

I don't disagree with that, but what happens to all of the early adopters?

I think he was also.

However the PS3 is first and foremost a games console. To speak of the device as something other than this is either arrogance or wishful thinking.

Sony claims that it is a 'personal computer system' (or words to that effect) - I laughed when I read that though.

[LVMike]

Of course he is going to back Blue-Ray he has to if blue ray and the PS3 fail think how bad the impact could be for nvidia, thy had droped a lot of money into the development of the graphics chip and have to see a return on it, just like ati had to with the xbox360.

No console will last 10 years and still be current, that is an absured line of bull by sony and its "partners" on this system. Ten years ago we were using the nintendo 64, and the ps1 it is assenine to think that your console will have the ability to last 3 generations of product.... that borders on insane.

[DXR_13KE]

the PS3 will sell like hell, people will buy it because it is a next generation Blue-ray player, not because of the console it self, they will buy it for 600$ and sell it on Ebay at 2000$ or more.

i wont buy one because i think 600$ for a GAME console is to much, if it plays BRD as good as the PS2 played DVDs i think i will pass and buy a cheap BRD player from samsung in about 3 years.

and the PS3 wont last 10 years as a modern console.

[rupbert]

Originally Posted by Tim S

Sony claims that it is a 'personal computer system' (or words to that effect) - I laughed when I read that though.

That claim can receive no other response than:

[olly_lewis]

Its a game console, well thats what I think and i don't care for the Blu-Ray playing ability, though it is a means to an end for graphics and games but IF and only IF Blu ray beat HD DVD then it will be the next "DVD" and how long has DVD been around, around ten years but only used my the masses for 5-7 years so a round estimate of 7 or 8 years for the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player for movies but for games.... no... they'll release a game console way before ten years.

[aggies11]

Next Gen Media Storage != Game Content.

Because you know, the only reason we haven't seen 50GB console games, is because the developers have been held back by current storage limits... (*Sarcasm*)

Making content costs money. With next gen, it's becoming even more expensive to make the same amount of content. That means we are actually gonna see *less* content. DVD9 is not constricting the size of games, it's the rising costs of development and limited budgets. To fill a Blu-ray disc with game content (outside of FMV, but thats largely irrelevant now anyhow) would cost a ridiculous amount of money. No game company can afford to produce that much content for a single game.

So yes, as a media device, nextgen storage is needed. But game consoles don't have to be media devices.

Microsoft can come out with HDDVD players, and anyone who wants one, can get it, to play HD Movies.

But you won't see game content on these discs, because there just isn't a need. The 360 owners without HD drives aren't missing out on anything. And they can always get a HD player if they want to watch movies, for the 360, or standalone.

Aggies

[orb]

Originally Posted by Tim S

The thing is that Xbox 360 doesn't have a HD DVD drive yet. Personally, I don't want an add-on drive connected to my sleek-looking Xbox 360 - Microsoft needs to ship its console with HD DVD embedded, IMO.

That would piss alot of launch 360 owners off, including me.

[Firehed]

Originally Posted by Tim S

I don't disagree with that, but what happens to all of the early adopters?

They'll make sure the external unit can read through those massive ring-scratches embedded in the discs from the crappy DVD drive they put in the first units.

So, let's review here. What proprietary Sony format with competition has had any long-term success? Betamax? No. Minidisc? No. UMD? No. I'm sure there are others that I'm either forgetting or are too obscure for me to have heard of, but I've heard similar things about hardware that was designed to only hook up to other Sony kit.

Not to mention that if it works as well as the PS2 did as a standalone DVD player, they've ensured a format flop. DVD probably would have flopped for that same reason if it had competiton.

[Iago]

Originally Posted by Bill Gates, 1981

Nobody will ever need more than 640k RAM!"