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WilHarris · 20th Sep 2006, 10:22

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/09..._1080p_output/

r4tch3t · 20th Sep 2006, 10:26

Bah still not as good as a PC resolution.

Atomic · 20th Sep 2006, 10:28

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Originally Posted by r4tch3t

Bah still not as good as a PC resolution.

Constructive post there

TVs and Monitors are very different things when it comes to specs.

teabagger · 20th Sep 2006, 10:34

Looks from this article like it's just HD-DVD output they're talking about and not games. Is this the case? If so it's not really *that* big a deal, and I seriously doubt Sony give two hoots to be honest.

(edit)

Eurogame reckon it can upscale 720p games to 1080p. Well unless they have a decent upscaling algorithm then this isn't going to help your image quality one bit. Even if they do it'll not look as good as native 1080p output, and I don't see any native 1080p games on the 360 anytime soon.

r4tch3t · 20th Sep 2006, 10:37

That is true, How much will a dedicated HD-DVD player cost when they are more popular? So if this resoulution is only supported on the HD-DVD, then there is not really too much point in it.
If it is supported in games however, it will give the 360 a boost.

will. · 20th Sep 2006, 10:38

no, its games as well, in the future though. current games will jsut have to scale...

btw... did you purposefully choose a name that is not only a highly grotesque act of sticking your bits in someones mouth, but also being a tit on online multiplayer games?

teabagger · 20th Sep 2006, 10:45

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Originally Posted by will.

no, its games as well, in the future though. current games will jsut have to scale...

btw... did you purposefully choose a name that is not only a highly grotesque act of sticking your bits in someones mouth, but also being a tit on online multiplayer games?

Erm... yeah. It seemed like a good idea for an online handle at the time (a few years ago) and it's kind of stuck.

Don't get the online multiplayer reference though

Anyone know if the upscaling is being processed to increase image quality or just scaled?

Bindibadgi · 20th Sep 2006, 10:48

It's nice to see that the 360 could do 1080p all along and MS have purposely waiting until the PS3 release to launch the update. Thanks for that.

genesisofthesith · 20th Sep 2006, 11:33

The xbox 360's component out only allows up to 1080i. The vga conection should allow 1080p, but I believe 1080p will be only for the external HD-DVD add on and its HDMI output.

lefty420 · 20th Sep 2006, 11:44

it will be for games. as well
dvd's will be upscaled over both vga and componet. 1080p
hd-dvd will be 1080p
all games at 720p will be upscaled like it does for regular xbox games
devs can make games 1080p natively if they want.
ms will not be making any 1080p games as they suport 720p as a good medium. Ms stated they doubted many devs would make games in 1080p but now they have the ability 2.

we can let ms explain it

Kim was clear that the console could support true 1080p out.

"If it is running at 720p we will up-res it to 1080p, if it it's already 1080p then we can display it in 1080p," he said. " This is a great example of our console's ability and the great advantage of being a software company."

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-36...put-201816.php

LeapingFrog · 20th Sep 2006, 11:54

The AACS currently forbids 1080p movie content over component, as far as I know.

Not to mention that very few televisions accept a 1080p signal over component anyway (far fewer than are 1080p in the first place).

CAL3H · 20th Sep 2006, 12:07

At the moment not sure what the fuss is for- its only the uber rich that can afford the 1080 line teles at present. All go for about £3k minimum if I'm not mistaken.

crayfish · 20th Sep 2006, 12:16

Isn't there a PC monitor that does 1920x1080? If it has an HDMI port then you're sorted.

riggs · 20th Sep 2006, 12:17

Bah, all these standards just confuse me...
*remembers the good old days of RF cables and switch boxes*

imo, it's still way too early to even think about buying into the HD revolution - I won't be spending my money for a good 5 or 6 years. Hell, I imagine the PS3/x360 will be old hat by the time I get myself a HD TV.

Bindibadgi · 20th Sep 2006, 12:21

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Originally Posted by crayfish

Isn't there a PC monitor that does 1920x1080? If it has an HDMI port then you're sorted.

1900x1200? 1650x1050 is close on a wide screen TFT.

otispunkmeyer · 20th Sep 2006, 12:26

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Originally Posted by crayfish

Isn't there a PC monitor that does 1920x1080? If it has an HDMI port then you're sorted.

yep, 24inch monitors support 1920x1200 so you'll be fine

BenQ's brand new 24inch monitor sports a HDCP enabled HDMI and DVI port. and anyway you can easily get a HDMI to DVI converter

will. · 20th Sep 2006, 12:28

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Originally Posted by teabagger

Erm... yeah. It seemed like a good idea for an online handle at the time (a few years ago) and it's kind of stuck.

Don't get the online multiplayer reference though

Anyone know if the upscaling is being processed to increase image quality or just scaled?

it is the act of killing someone and then placing yourself over their corpse's head and repeatedly hitting the crouch key.

Nikumba · 20th Sep 2006, 13:24

Well if this update will upscale standard def DVD to 720 ill be happy

Kimbie

aggies11 · 20th Sep 2006, 13:50

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Originally Posted by teabagger

(edit)

Eurogame reckon it can upscale 720p games to 1080p. Well unless they have a decent upscaling algorithm then this isn't going to help your image quality one bit.

Look bout as good with current LCDs, when they upscale a 720p 'sh resolution to the panel's native?

Aggies

Phil Rhodes · 20th Sep 2006, 13:52

Hi,

Yes, I do have a "native 1080p display," a Dell 24" TFT. However, I won't ever be displaying 1080p HD on it digitally, because Sony or Panasonic want to sell me a new TV... I'm sorry, I mean, the MPAA feel an urgent need to protect their intellectual property by supporting HDMI.

ETA on the HDMI to DVI descramblers?

Yes, I know this isn't much to do with the 360, but it's irritating to be barred from using the display I own to its fullest potential by this HDMI drivel.

Phil

20th Sep 2006, 10:22	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	Xbox 360 adds 1080p output http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/09..._1080p_output/

20th Sep 2006, 10:26	#2
r4tch3t hmmmm.... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,882	Bah still not as good as a PC resolution. __________________ Fight my Brute The quantum limit of reality might be scaled up because we're all holograms. Obviously. Once more we see that sufficiently advanced physics is indistinguishable from getting really stoned. From here

20th Sep 2006, 10:37	#5
r4tch3t hmmmm.... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,882	That is true, How much will a dedicated HD-DVD player cost when they are more popular? So if this resoulution is only supported on the HD-DVD, then there is not really too much point in it. If it is supported in games however, it will give the 360 a boost. __________________ Fight my Brute The quantum limit of reality might be scaled up because we're all holograms. Obviously. Once more we see that sufficiently advanced physics is indistinguishable from getting really stoned. From here

20th Sep 2006, 10:38	#6
will. A motorbike of jealousy! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Yorkshire! Posts: 4,403	no, its games as well, in the future though. current games will jsut have to scale... btw... did you purposefully choose a name that is not only a highly grotesque act of sticking your bits in someones mouth, but also being a tit on online multiplayer games? __________________ work \| play \| blog PS3 & 360: willblack Flickr my twitter. Last.FM Check out my Last.FM & iToggle & Nav-o-Matic jQuery plugins.

20th Sep 2006, 10:48	#8
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,247	It's nice to see that the 360 could do 1080p all along and MS have purposely waiting until the PS3 release to launch the update. Thanks for that. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

20th Sep 2006, 10:34	#4
teabagger Minimodder Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21	Looks from this article like it's just HD-DVD output they're talking about and not games. Is this the case? If so it's not really that big a deal, and I seriously doubt Sony give two hoots to be honest. (edit) Eurogame reckon it can upscale 720p games to 1080p. Well unless they have a decent upscaling algorithm then this isn't going to help your image quality one bit. Even if they do it'll not look as good as native 1080p output, and I don't see any native 1080p games on the 360 anytime soon.

20th Sep 2006, 11:33	#9
genesisofthesith complete spanner Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: swansea, wales Posts: 533	The xbox 360's component out only allows up to 1080i. The vga conection should allow 1080p, but I believe 1080p will be only for the external HD-DVD add on and its HDMI output. __________________ My sweetest downfall

20th Sep 2006, 11:44	#10
lefty420 What's a Dremel? Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1	it will be for games. as well dvd's will be upscaled over both vga and componet. 1080p hd-dvd will be 1080p all games at 720p will be upscaled like it does for regular xbox games devs can make games 1080p natively if they want. ms will not be making any 1080p games as they suport 720p as a good medium. Ms stated they doubted many devs would make games in 1080p but now they have the ability 2. we can let ms explain it Kim was clear that the console could support true 1080p out. "If it is running at 720p we will up-res it to 1080p, if it it's already 1080p then we can display it in 1080p," he said. " This is a great example of our console's ability and the great advantage of being a software company." http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/xbox-36...put-201816.php

20th Sep 2006, 11:54	#11
LeapingFrog What's a Dremel? Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5	The AACS currently forbids 1080p movie content over component, as far as I know. Not to mention that very few televisions accept a 1080p signal over component anyway (far fewer than are 1080p in the first place).

20th Sep 2006, 12:07	#12
CAL3H Minimodder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 30	At the moment not sure what the fuss is for- its only the uber rich that can afford the 1080 line teles at present. All go for about £3k minimum if I'm not mistaken.

20th Sep 2006, 12:16	#13
crayfish Amazing scenes! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 597	Isn't there a PC monitor that does 1920x1080? If it has an HDMI port then you're sorted.

20th Sep 2006, 12:17	#14
riggs ^_^ Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Lincs. Posts: 1,643	Bah, all these standards just confuse me... remembers the good old days of RF cables and switch boxes imo, it's still way too early to even think about buying into the HD revolution - I won't be spending my money for a good 5 or 6 years. Hell, I imagine the PS3/x360 will be old hat by the time I get myself a HD TV. __________________ Hell hath no fury like a hippo with a machine gun PSN ID: buster2006

20th Sep 2006, 13:24	#18
Nikumba Supermodder Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Dark Place Posts: 371	Well if this update will upscale standard def DVD to 720 ill be happy Kimbie

20th Sep 2006, 13:52	#20
Phil Rhodes Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 574	Hi, Yes, I do have a "native 1080p display," a Dell 24" TFT. However, I won't ever be displaying 1080p HD on it digitally, because Sony or Panasonic want to sell me a new TV... I'm sorry, I mean, the MPAA feel an urgent need to protect their intellectual property by supporting HDMI. ETA on the HDMI to DVI descramblers? Yes, I know this isn't much to do with the 360, but it's irritating to be barred from using the display I own to its fullest potential by this HDMI drivel. Phil