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WilHarris · 23rd Oct 2006, 11:01

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10...rosoft_malady/

DougEdey · 23rd Oct 2006, 11:03

Hardehar for the first one :P

quack · 23rd Oct 2006, 11:21

There IS a fix for the DST problem.

The Microsoft Exchange Team Blog (You Had Me At EHLO) posted about this very problem on Friday 20th October, and linked to an article on Microsoft Support with details of the fix.

It only affects those using CDO which includes Outlook Web Access, not Outlook itself. You have to contact Product Support Services to get it unfortunately, but if you do require the hotfix, it's free.

Laitainion · 23rd Oct 2006, 11:31

what's the point of making the change in SP1? By that point every security had better have a product out for Vista x64, and needing to support another one for Vista x64 SP1 (what a mouthful) just seems totally wasteful.
Maybe that's Microsofts reasoning, force security firms to at least try to get a solution working (some might not bother, but some will) and then point that out to the EU that it can be done without access to the kernel. Then get the decision overturned. Here's hoping it works.

Bursar · 23rd Oct 2006, 11:32

Yup, I got the patch from MS Support on Friday and applied it with no problems.

Rather strangely, the support guy told me that they would be releasing a public fix on Monday, and I could wait until then. When I told him that the public patch wouldn't be available until after the problem had occured on the Sunday he said "oh yeah" and raised a support call for me.

Flibblebot · 23rd Oct 2006, 11:42

I have to say, for once I think Microsoft are right in locking down the kernel. Microsoft has been rightly renowned in the past for having poor security in its operating systems, and it's this poor security that has enabled companies like McAfee and Symantec to become the huge companies that they are.

Now that MS are reacting (at last) to the poor security criticisms by preventing access to the kernel, other companies are complaining. But if the kernel is truly locked down, why do they need access to it? Presumably MS has API hooks that virus checkers can use without granting access to the kernel?

And it's underhanded of them to go to Europe to force MS to open up the kernel, because I'm sure that bureaucrats in Brussels don't know what all the talk of nuts and operating systems is about.

It's just bad blood because they can see their profits slipping if Microsoft has finally developed at least a partially secure OS...

Edhi · 23rd Oct 2006, 12:10

Another marvellous (Heavy on the Sarcasm) decision by the EU there.

1. Microsoft makes Vista kernel safe (ish) against hackers and other malware
2. McAfee and Symantec, manufacturers of the shittiest pieces of AV software on the market cry and whinge because they can't do what other companies can (I don't hear Trend Micro and Kaspersky Labs complaining? Funny, that AND they make decent software)
3. EU decides to let aforementioned ****** companies continue milking consumers who don't know better.

msm722 · 23rd Oct 2006, 12:13

Does this mean the kernel won't be locked down or that these AV programs can somehow access it? If vista is secure enough without the use of AV programs, then I don't see a need for companies to be producing AV software. I guess that's why they are moaning.

Faulk_Wulf · 23rd Oct 2006, 14:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laitainion

what's the point of making the change in SP1? By that point every security had better have a product out for Vista x64, and needing to support another one for Vista x64 SP1 (what a mouthful) just seems totally wasteful.
Maybe that's Microsofts reasoning, force security firms to at least try to get a solution working (some might not bother, but some will) and then point that out to the EU that it can be done without access to the kernel. Then get the decision overturned. Here's hoping it works.

That's what I figure too. I mean really, if keeping programs out of the kernal is going to make Vista safer, then I say good for them. But as soon as they let one program in, any one (with time) will be able to get in. So I'm happy to hear that they will wait till 2008 to do the fix.

MS is starting to redeem itself with Vista.

Warrior_Rocker · 23rd Oct 2006, 15:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edhi

Another marvellous (Heavy on the Sarcasm) decision by the EU there.

1. Microsoft makes Vista kernel safe (ish) against hackers and other malware
2. McAfee and Symantec, manufacturers of the shittiest pieces of AV software on the market cry and whinge because they can't do what other companies can (I don't hear Trend Micro and Kaspersky Labs complaining? Funny, that AND they make decent software)
3. EU decides to let aforementioned ****** companies continue milking consumers who don't know better.

That is completely your opinion and has no basis in fact. Many large companies rely on one or the other. Sometimes they will use avast or avg. Like I pointed out in the other thread more about this issue. The point is that microsoft is alienating two of the biggest vendors in the game. Whether you chose to not use either software is totally up to you. Personally I use Symantec Antivirus Corporate 10, Have never had a single issue with it. I am able to update and admin my other computers and their AV directly from my server.

Spaceraver · 23rd Oct 2006, 20:04

Heh... Just another reason to make the switch to linux i guess. I have always disliked Windows for being a memory/disk usage whore, taking way too much space for my other programs that really need it. Windows has unfortunately been on my pc for the last 7 years due to lack of game support in Linux. And Vista will not end up on this machine or any other I know of. I (de)recommend it to all my not so techy friends and family purely for the reason that polish and shine just isnt enough to redeem the ill fate that bears the name Vista. If they can reduce the load of bullsh*t programs and services that will follow on in Vista and remove the spyware (Yes, I'm paranoid for the sake of privacy!), then I might give it a try say, in ten years..

DXR_13KE · 23rd Oct 2006, 20:24

a la pimp my ride:

THANKS EU, FOR SCRE*ING MY OS!!!!!

zoot2boot · 24th Oct 2006, 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior_Rocker

The point is that microsoft is alienating two of the biggest vendors in the game.

aren't all the antivirus companies getting the same treatment?

23rd Oct 2006, 11:01	#1
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23rd Oct 2006, 11:03	#2
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23rd Oct 2006, 11:21	#3
quack \o/ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,221	There IS a fix for the DST problem. The Microsoft Exchange Team Blog (You Had Me At EHLO) posted about this very problem on Friday 20th October, and linked to an article on Microsoft Support with details of the fix. It only affects those using CDO which includes Outlook Web Access, not Outlook itself. You have to contact Product Support Services to get it unfortunately, but if you do require the hotfix, it's free. __________________ Denying Rights to Music lovers. Denying Rights to Movie lovers.

23rd Oct 2006, 11:32	#5
Bursar Hypermodder Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 700	Yup, I got the patch from MS Support on Friday and applied it with no problems. Rather strangely, the support guy told me that they would be releasing a public fix on Monday, and I could wait until then. When I told him that the public patch wouldn't be available until after the problem had occured on the Sunday he said "oh yeah" and raised a support call for me. __________________ www.philspcmods.com - a rough guide

23rd Oct 2006, 11:42	#6
Flibblebot Free from artificial flavourings Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here, right now Posts: 2,228	I have to say, for once I think Microsoft are right in locking down the kernel. Microsoft has been rightly renowned in the past for having poor security in its operating systems, and it's this poor security that has enabled companies like McAfee and Symantec to become the huge companies that they are. Now that MS are reacting (at last) to the poor security criticisms by preventing access to the kernel, other companies are complaining. But if the kernel is truly locked down, why do they need access to it? Presumably MS has API hooks that virus checkers can use without granting access to the kernel? And it's underhanded of them to go to Europe to force MS to open up the kernel, because I'm sure that bureaucrats in Brussels don't know what all the talk of nuts and operating systems is about. It's just bad blood because they can see their profits slipping if Microsoft has finally developed at least a partially secure OS... __________________ My uber-system: 66Mhz 486DX2, 8Mb RAM, 20Mb hard drive, 256 colour VGA adaptor (goes all the way up to 800x600!), keyboard AND serial mouse

23rd Oct 2006, 11:31	#4
Laitainion Minimodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Loughborough, UK Posts: 44	what's the point of making the change in SP1? By that point every security had better have a product out for Vista x64, and needing to support another one for Vista x64 SP1 (what a mouthful) just seems totally wasteful. Maybe that's Microsofts reasoning, force security firms to at least try to get a solution working (some might not bother, but some will) and then point that out to the EU that it can be done without access to the kernel. Then get the decision overturned. Here's hoping it works.

23rd Oct 2006, 12:10	#7
Edhi Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 148	Another marvellous (Heavy on the Sarcasm) decision by the EU there. 1. Microsoft makes Vista kernel safe (ish) against hackers and other malware 2. McAfee and Symantec, manufacturers of the shittiest pieces of AV software on the market cry and whinge because they can't do what other companies can (I don't hear Trend Micro and Kaspersky Labs complaining? Funny, that AND they make decent software) 3. EU decides to let aforementioned ****** companies continue milking consumers who don't know better.

23rd Oct 2006, 12:13	#8
msm722 Multimodder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 77	Does this mean the kernel won't be locked down or that these AV programs can somehow access it? If vista is secure enough without the use of AV programs, then I don't see a need for companies to be producing AV software. I guess that's why they are moaning.

23rd Oct 2006, 20:04	#11
Spaceraver Weekend Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kolding, Denmark Posts: 1,307	Heh... Just another reason to make the switch to linux i guess. I have always disliked Windows for being a memory/disk usage whore, taking way too much space for my other programs that really need it. Windows has unfortunately been on my pc for the last 7 years due to lack of game support in Linux. And Vista will not end up on this machine or any other I know of. I (de)recommend it to all my not so techy friends and family purely for the reason that polish and shine just isnt enough to redeem the ill fate that bears the name Vista. If they can reduce the load of bullsht programs and services that will follow on in Vista and remove the spyware (Yes, I'm paranoid for the sake of privacy!), then I might give it a try say, in ten years.. __________________ "Faith: not wanting* to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca Last thing I remember, I was drinking this glowing green sht out of a test tube and dancing like a bstard.

23rd Oct 2006, 20:24	#12
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,469	a la pimp my ride: THANKS EU, FOR SCREING MY OS!!!!! __________________ Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!