Bungie - we "screwed up" Halo 2 - bit-tech.net Forums

WilHarris · 25th Jan 2007, 15:03

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01...wed_up_halo_2/

DarkLord7854 · 25th Jan 2007, 15:05

Haha.. awesome

Phil Rhodes · 25th Jan 2007, 15:37

Halo is utterly nondescript.

Halo cost me Oni 2, which could have been fantastic.

It is not to be forgiven.

Phil

TheSaladMan · 25th Jan 2007, 15:56

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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes

Halo cost me Oni 2, which could have been fantastic.

Damn right, after they've finished with Halo 3 they'd better get started on a next gen Oni, I loved that game.

Veles · 25th Jan 2007, 16:00

Well Halo 2 was awful, I liked the multiplayer, but the single player campaign was pretty dire compared to what they showed us before. It's good they've finally came out and admitted it wasn't up to scratch.

Vash-HT · 25th Jan 2007, 16:36

I am happy they admitted it, I loved Myth and Myth 2, adn I wish there was a chance for a new Myth game, but even if that happened it'd prolly be on the 360 only. I played Halo 1 a lot with my friends who were obsessed with it, and I was never impressed. Halo 2 wasn't much better imo, the only thing i really lked was the addition of vehicles that could actually be destroyed.

BTW, you say Halo 2 is still the most popular Live game, but I thought Gears was now the most played Live game? I swear i read something about it on gamespot a while back about it surpassing Halo 2 in terms of number of people playing.

Snaek · 25th Jan 2007, 16:59

This gives me hope for Halo 3.

Breach · 25th Jan 2007, 17:10

I think it is courageous that they can admit that they were not happy with their product and are in tune in some ways with Halo fans who criticized the game a bit. Hopefully that will be fuel for Halo 3 to be the best ever.

Stuey · 25th Jan 2007, 17:23

Way back when, they did mention their time constraints in Halo 1. That's how they justified the Library level and repeating levels. It was a fantastic game though. I don't have an Xbox so no Halo 2 for me =(.

In recognizing their faults, they might correct them the third time around.

samkiller42 · 25th Jan 2007, 17:36

I thought Halo 2 was brilliant, short, but brilliant, it had new skills within, eg, dual wielding, however, despite having 15/16 levels and 14/15 (cant remember) playing levels they were way way too short. The campaign levels were to small and you hardly did anything in them. What would be good for bungie to do is have Halo 3 on 2 disks, Disk one is non stop campaign, with huge landscapes and masses of destruction and mindless slaughter or Grunts, with Disk too devoted to Multiplayer, and more mindless destruction. However, i think it is good for a company to admit a flaw in something, well done Bungie, and good luck with Halo 3.

Sam

Tyinsar · 25th Jan 2007, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Breach

I think it is courageous that they can admit that they were not happy with their product and are in tune in some ways with Halo fans who criticized the game a bit. Hopefully that will be fuel for Halo 3 to be the best ever.

I can't decide if I agree with that first part or not. It may be a programmer's attempt to do an end run around his bosses and either will get us a better game next time or get him fired.- which is admittedly a courageous move but I'd feel better if the people setting the deadlines admitted the error - then again at least it's not Duke Nukem Whenever

DXR_13KE · 25th Jan 2007, 22:24

it is mighty brave for them to say this.
i hope Halo 3 rocks

Gravemind123 · 25th Jan 2007, 22:54

Halo 3 had better have that phase they said Halo had that Halo 2 didn't...I have high hopes for Halo 3, I hope it lives up to them.

saeghwin · 25th Jan 2007, 23:06

Finally someone admits it! I grew tired of the multiplayer component and all of its flaws after about a week, while my friends continued to play it for months and months.

The single player, that's not even worth mentioning.

ozstrike · 25th Jan 2007, 23:26

The multiplayer is OK, purely because of the amount of people that play it. I thought the single player was terrible though, and never bothered to complete it.

Generic42 · 26th Jan 2007, 01:29

Halo was a good game, Halo 2 was more like an expansion pack. It gave new features but no good story, no really new mechanics, but I deem it better than Halo 1 because the multiplayer was way more fun with more weapons and dual wielding. Halo 3 should be good, but what more can it really be other than better looking?

Think of Ratchet and Clank. (you may think it's lame but I love those games) It was good in #1, #2 owned everything, #3 was different but playable, #4 was odd short pointless and not worth it (thankfully I borrowed it before buying. Beat in one day) Halo seems to be much the same. Don't expect much after #3

sinizterguy · 26th Jan 2007, 12:02

Sounds more like they are hyping Halo 3 by saying how rubbish Halo 2 was (it still was very popular) and implying how much better Halo 3 is going be as they had the "time to polish it up".

tuteja1986 · 27th Jan 2007, 08:47

Well if you would have seen the Halo 2 documentary on that was in the limited edition of Halo 2 you would see the anger and depression of not having enough time to finish the game or even test it. They had a scene where they were scrunching up paper of design they wanted in the game but never had the time to implement.

ikra · 27th Jan 2007, 15:34

see... halo 2 was a good game, halo 3 will be even better. But yes, i think they just wanted press...

but the guys did well, so they will again this time.

[USRF]Obiwan · 27th Jan 2007, 16:42

so.... what about a refund then?

25th Jan 2007, 17:10	#8
Breach Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: WA Posts: 354	I think it is courageous that they can admit that they were not happy with their product and are in tune in some ways with Halo fans who criticized the game a bit. Hopefully that will be fuel for Halo 3 to be the best ever. __________________ Project :: SSC (Super Sport Computer)

25th Jan 2007, 17:23	#9
Stuey You will be defenestrated! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC & NJ Posts: 2,484	Way back when, they did mention their time constraints in Halo 1. That's how they justified the Library level and repeating levels. It was a fantastic game though. I don't have an Xbox so no Halo 2 for me =(. In recognizing their faults, they might correct them the third time around. __________________ ToolGuyd

25th Jan 2007, 17:36	#10
samkiller42 KEEP IT CLEAN! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Havant, Hampshire, England Posts: 3,182	I thought Halo 2 was brilliant, short, but brilliant, it had new skills within, eg, dual wielding, however, despite having 15/16 levels and 14/15 (cant remember) playing levels they were way way too short. The campaign levels were to small and you hardly did anything in them. What would be good for bungie to do is have Halo 3 on 2 disks, Disk one is non stop campaign, with huge landscapes and masses of destruction and mindless slaughter or Grunts, with Disk too devoted to Multiplayer, and more mindless destruction. However, i think it is good for a company to admit a flaw in something, well done Bungie, and good luck with Halo 3. Sam __________________ The Rig: i7 920 D0, Gigabyte EX58-UD5, 12GB DDR3 1600mhz, BFG GTX295, Samsung 64gb SSD, WD 640gb Black, Samsung F2 Eco 1TB, Dell 3007WFP, Windows 7 RC. The Netbook: Samsung NC10 Black, Intel Atom, 2gb DDR2 Xbox Live: samkiller42¦PSN: samkiller42¦Bungie: samkiller42

25th Jan 2007, 22:24	#12
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25th Jan 2007, 22:54	#13
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25th Jan 2007, 15:03	#1
WilHarris Just another nobody Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Oxford Posts: 2,671	Bungie - we "screwed up" Halo 2 http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01...wed_up_halo_2/

25th Jan 2007, 15:05	#2
DarkLord7854 Web Developer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 3,822	Haha.. awesome

25th Jan 2007, 15:37	#3
Phil Rhodes Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 574	Halo is utterly nondescript. Halo cost me Oni 2, which could have been fantastic. It is not to be forgiven. Phil

25th Jan 2007, 16:36	#6
Vash-HT Multimodder Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 193	I am happy they admitted it, I loved Myth and Myth 2, adn I wish there was a chance for a new Myth game, but even if that happened it'd prolly be on the 360 only. I played Halo 1 a lot with my friends who were obsessed with it, and I was never impressed. Halo 2 wasn't much better imo, the only thing i really lked was the addition of vehicles that could actually be destroyed. BTW, you say Halo 2 is still the most popular Live game, but I thought Gears was now the most played Live game? I swear i read something about it on gamespot a while back about it surpassing Halo 2 in terms of number of people playing.

25th Jan 2007, 16:59	#7
Snaek Multimodder Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 131	This gives me hope for Halo 3.

25th Jan 2007, 23:06	#14
saeghwin Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: US Posts: 87	Finally someone admits it! I grew tired of the multiplayer component and all of its flaws after about a week, while my friends continued to play it for months and months. The single player, that's not even worth mentioning. __________________ ExpirationDate.info - Forums for dramatic conclusions. Life, philosophy, games, lucid dreaming, music, etc.

25th Jan 2007, 23:26	#15
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26th Jan 2007, 01:29	#16
Generic42 Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: P to the O, Washington Posts: 567	Halo was a good game, Halo 2 was more like an expansion pack. It gave new features but no good story, no really new mechanics, but I deem it better than Halo 1 because the multiplayer was way more fun with more weapons and dual wielding. Halo 3 should be good, but what more can it really be other than better looking? Think of Ratchet and Clank. (you may think it's lame but I love those games) It was good in #1, #2 owned everything, #3 was different but playable, #4 was odd short pointless and not worth it (thankfully I borrowed it before buying. Beat in one day) Halo seems to be much the same. Don't expect much after #3

26th Jan 2007, 12:02	#17
sinizterguy Dark & Sinizter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 5,462	Sounds more like they are hyping Halo 3 by saying how rubbish Halo 2 was (it still was very popular) and implying how much better Halo 3 is going be as they had the "time to polish it up". __________________ Nothing here. Go away and dont bother me.

27th Jan 2007, 08:47	#18
tuteja1986 Minimodder Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 48	Old news Well if you would have seen the Halo 2 documentary on that was in the limited edition of Halo 2 you would see the anger and depression of not having enough time to finish the game or even test it. They had a scene where they were scrunching up paper of design they wanted in the game but never had the time to implement.

27th Jan 2007, 15:34	#19
ikra Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: notts, uk Posts: 181	see... halo 2 was a good game, halo 3 will be even better. But yes, i think they just wanted press... but the guys did well, so they will again this time.

27th Jan 2007, 16:42	#20
[USRF]Obiwan Ultramodder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,218	so.... what about a refund then? __________________ Mascleta: "The most accurate simulation of thunder, humans can simulate..." The answer is 42, so... whats the question again? If you know what 'Peek' and 'Poke' represents, then you are probably as old as me.