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oasked · 14th Oct 2007, 17:27

Hi guys,

I've recently acquired an Opteron 165 off eBay, it was listed as faulty so I got it for £15.

Anyway, I've been running it at stock because its running really hot. I've updated my BIOS to the latest version, and I've reapplied thermal paste (AS Ceramique) to my Thermalright XP-120.

Below is a screenshot of an Orthos run at 2.6Ghz at stock volts. Look at the temperatures! I've also used "Core Temp" to look at the temperatures and that shows even higher results. I can't remember the stepping of the chip.

Any help is much appreciated!

Burnout21 · 14th Oct 2007, 17:52

i should imagin its been clocked to hard by its last owner, i cant imagin it lasting that long. better get a phase changer on it! lol!

but for £15 you cant go wrong! start saving for its replacement now! lol!

DeX · 14th Oct 2007, 18:17

That's not that hot for an Operrton. Sure you could reduce it but do you really need to? If you want to overclock it then just push it up to the point where you're getting instability and only then think about improving cooling or reducing clock speeds.

My Athlon XP has been idling at over 60 degrees (load goes into the 70s on a hot day) and it hasn't had a problem in 6 years. Seriously for a £15 CPU you're not really risking anything by running the CPU at a temperature that it is perfectly stable running at.

knuck · 14th Oct 2007, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeX

That's not that hot for an Operrton. Sure you could reduce it but do you really need to? If you want to overclock it then just push it up to the point where you're getting instability and only then think about improving cooling or reducing clock speeds.

My Athlon XP has been idling at over 60 degrees (load goes into the 70s on a hot day) and it hasn't had a problem in 6 years. Seriously for a £15 CPU you're not really risking anything by running the CPU at a temperature that it is perfectly stable running at.

...is it ?

If it is though, don't worry about it and enjoy your purchase

atanum141 · 14th Oct 2007, 18:26

im agreeing with Burnout, i think it got clocked abit too hard and is sorta recovering from it but i can see one core wil be in higher temps. Why not remove the IHS and see how far it will push down in temps.

DeX · 14th Oct 2007, 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ghys

...is it ?

If it is though, don't worry about it and enjoy your purchase

Well according to the screenshot of Orthos there were no errors reported during any of the stress tests. Of course if there are stability issues then maybe you do want to think about improving your cooling. But then it could just be that the CPU is faulty no matter what temp it's running at. After all that's what it said in the ebay listing. But I agree, if ostensibly everything is working ok then forget about the temperature and enjoy your bargain purchase.

dimebar · 14th Oct 2007, 21:11

i expect the core has started to get a gap or air bubble to the heat spredder,
re-set it, or remove it. it can be done with the boiling water method

Burnout21 · 14th Oct 2007, 22:19

i use to run a opty 165, and believe me thats running really hot!

Dex the opty 165 is very different to your Athlon XP, you cant compare the two at all.

the old athlons run close to your temps rated, but Athlon 64's and opty's tend to die very quick at those temp's.

oasked try reducing the volts and see how stable you can get it. most chips can undervolt. this may help reduce the temps.

point of reference my opty 165 at 3.2GHz with a arctic cooler 64 never went above 50 degrees load. i amit it was the best stepping available.

oasked · 15th Oct 2007, 09:06

Thanks for the input, I've just undervolted the CPU to 1.25V (CPU @ 1.8Ghz) and it has helped slightly. I really don't want to pop the IHS due to the high-kill rate, especially seeing as I've never done it before. Its also a little tricky with a XP-120 apparently - I'd have to modify the custom bracket.

I think I might try some new AS5 and see if that helps.

EDIT: I've been looking at 120mm fans. At the moment I've got this fan. I assume its more than enough to cool the CPU properly?

steveo_mcg · 15th Oct 2007, 10:22

Is it actually hot, or is the sensor broken. If its that hot the heat shrink should be quite warm to the touch.

oasked · 15th Oct 2007, 12:56

Base of the heatsink is barely warm at all, as far as I can feel. 2.6Ghz does seem to be fairly solid at stock volts. I've got the side of the case off at the moment and the temperature is peaking at 55°C.

The heatsink is getting good contact with the CPU, the layer of thermal paste is the perfect thickness, the fan is blowing a good amount of air, I can't see anything wrong myself at all.

Screw it, I need a reason to upgrade to a Q6600, lets keep it at 2.6Ghz until it melts. I've always got my trusty 3200+ Venice to fall back on if I have an imminent deadline.

Amon · 15th Oct 2007, 13:02

Workstation chips can withstand that temperature for extended periods. You should see how hot it gets inside supercomputer cabinets.

Burnout21 · 15th Oct 2007, 17:26

check the IHS and see if its been tampered with, i.e removed by previous owner.

if so he may have removed it and not replaced any thermal interface when he put it back together for the sale.

Amon, the 939 based optys were developed for work stations rather than 1u systems.

true opty's that live in the land of supercomputer cabinets are 940 pin, and cost a bomb as they are tested to the extreme! lol!

AMD just need to shift a load of cores that didn't meet spec for the FX range.

oasked · 15th Oct 2007, 18:55

No sign of any tampering on the IHS as far as I can see. I've managed to pull the bloody chip out of the socket twice now when I check the XP-120, so if he did tamper with the IHS, he secured it back down properly.

Oh and I've managed to get my load temperatures down to around 55°C, which is an improvement.

Jipa · 15th Oct 2007, 19:01

AFAIK the HSs in oppys are epoxy-glued to the chip, so they can't really be removed (w/o making not making very noticeable marks on the processor (such as it not working at all or being in three pieces))

If the heatsink doesn't feel warm then I'd just blame it on the temperature sensor and not care about the temperatures.

Cat_J · 15th Oct 2007, 20:55

Maybe you'd be better off getting a good watercooling system. Then when you upgrade next its something which you can carry over.

sandys · 15th Oct 2007, 23:31

My FX60 used to run at around 70degC no matter what I did also with an XP120 in the end I bought one of those Alphacool water kits which took it down to 50ish but loping the IHS off took another 15degC off, so I reckon some are just ****, then of course I cranked up the voltage and clockspeed to 3Ghz and full load dual core it'll hit 50ish again, it pumps a lot of heat into the WC loop, I can heat a large room with it in no time at all

Burnout21 · 16th Oct 2007, 00:23

dont bother with water cooling it. just sort out your air flow. the fan on your XP-120 is a pile of crap compared to other fans out there.

get one of these,

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=57&subcat=4

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=57&subcat=4

then use a fan controller if the noise be to much for you.

might help temps for you.

If you have access to a camera post a pic with the side panel off so we can see possible restrictions in the case.

we are getting the opty closer to normal operating temps, which is all good!!

oasked · 16th Oct 2007, 14:40

Well the first fan is slower than my current fan, which produces more CFM (noise isn't an issue as my other case fans drown out most fans). The second fan is out of stock, and I can't find another supplier. Any ideas?

Oh and watercooling is out of the question, I don't have the cash!

14th Oct 2007, 17:27	#1
oasked Stuck in the Mud Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,573	"New" Opteron 165 - Running VERY Hot. Hi guys, I've recently acquired an Opteron 165 off eBay, it was listed as faulty so I got it for £15. Anyway, I've been running it at stock because its running really hot. I've updated my BIOS to the latest version, and I've reapplied thermal paste (AS Ceramique) to my Thermalright XP-120. Below is a screenshot of an Orthos run at 2.6Ghz at stock volts. Look at the temperatures! I've also used "Core Temp" to look at the temperatures and that shows even higher results. I can't remember the stepping of the chip. Any help is much appreciated! __________________ Intel i7 920 @ Stock \| 6GB Corsair DDR3 \| Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 \| WD6401 AALS Zotac GeForce 560Ti \| Lian-Li PC65 \| Enermax 600W SLI \| Dell 2408WFP

14th Oct 2007, 17:52	#2
Burnout21 Is the daddy! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bindi's cupboard Posts: 8,089	i should imagin its been clocked to hard by its last owner, i cant imagin it lasting that long. better get a phase changer on it! lol! but for £15 you cant go wrong! start saving for its replacement now! lol! __________________ Project log Mocha70 Workstation: Q6600, DFI P45-T2RS Plus, 8GB Reaper HPC, Quadro FX3450, 60Gb Vertex 2 Game: i7 930, GA-X58-USB3, 12GB Kingston, GTX280, 1Tb Seagate, WC

14th Oct 2007, 18:17	#3
DeX Mube Codder Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,145	That's not that hot for an Operrton. Sure you could reduce it but do you really need to? If you want to overclock it then just push it up to the point where you're getting instability and only then think about improving cooling or reducing clock speeds. My Athlon XP has been idling at over 60 degrees (load goes into the 70s on a hot day) and it hasn't had a problem in 6 years. Seriously for a £15 CPU you're not really risking anything by running the CPU at a temperature that it is perfectly stable running at. __________________ Play my game: Shyguy's Cave of Death! If you dont have the time to check your spelling and grammar, you dont have the time to post! -Liquid K9

14th Oct 2007, 18:26	#5
atanum141 I fapped to your post! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 7,878	im agreeing with Burnout, i think it got clocked abit too hard and is sorta recovering from it but i can see one core wil be in higher temps. Why not remove the IHS and see how far it will push down in temps. __________________ Welcome to Thunderdome, B*tch XBL: atanum141

14th Oct 2007, 21:11	#7
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14th Oct 2007, 22:19	#8
Burnout21 Is the daddy! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bindi's cupboard Posts: 8,089	i use to run a opty 165, and believe me thats running really hot! Dex the opty 165 is very different to your Athlon XP, you cant compare the two at all. the old athlons run close to your temps rated, but Athlon 64's and opty's tend to die very quick at those temp's. oasked try reducing the volts and see how stable you can get it. most chips can undervolt. this may help reduce the temps. point of reference my opty 165 at 3.2GHz with a arctic cooler 64 never went above 50 degrees load. i amit it was the best stepping available. __________________ Project log Mocha70 Workstation: Q6600, DFI P45-T2RS Plus, 8GB Reaper HPC, Quadro FX3450, 60Gb Vertex 2 Game: i7 930, GA-X58-USB3, 12GB Kingston, GTX280, 1Tb Seagate, WC

15th Oct 2007, 09:06	#9
oasked Stuck in the Mud Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,573	Thanks for the input, I've just undervolted the CPU to 1.25V (CPU @ 1.8Ghz) and it has helped slightly. I really don't want to pop the IHS due to the high-kill rate, especially seeing as I've never done it before. Its also a little tricky with a XP-120 apparently - I'd have to modify the custom bracket. I think I might try some new AS5 and see if that helps. EDIT: I've been looking at 120mm fans. At the moment I've got this fan. I assume its more than enough to cool the CPU properly? __________________ Intel i7 920 @ Stock \| 6GB Corsair DDR3 \| Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 \| WD6401 AALS Zotac GeForce 560Ti \| Lian-Li PC65 \| Enermax 600W SLI \| Dell 2408WFP Last edited by oasked; 15th Oct 2007 at 09:14.

15th Oct 2007, 10:22	#10
steveo_mcg STILL ALIVE Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 5,741	Is it actually hot, or is the sensor broken. If its that hot the heat shrink should be quite warm to the touch. __________________ ook

15th Oct 2007, 12:56	#11
oasked Stuck in the Mud Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,573	Base of the heatsink is barely warm at all, as far as I can feel. 2.6Ghz does seem to be fairly solid at stock volts. I've got the side of the case off at the moment and the temperature is peaking at 55°C. The heatsink is getting good contact with the CPU, the layer of thermal paste is the perfect thickness, the fan is blowing a good amount of air, I can't see anything wrong myself at all. Screw it, I need a reason to upgrade to a Q6600, lets keep it at 2.6Ghz until it melts. I've always got my trusty 3200+ Venice to fall back on if I have an imminent deadline. __________________ Intel i7 920 @ Stock \| 6GB Corsair DDR3 \| Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 \| WD6401 AALS Zotac GeForce 560Ti \| Lian-Li PC65 \| Enermax 600W SLI \| Dell 2408WFP

15th Oct 2007, 13:02	#12
Amon inch-perfect Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 2,467	Workstation chips can withstand that temperature for extended periods. You should see how hot it gets inside supercomputer cabinets.

15th Oct 2007, 17:26	#13
Burnout21 Is the daddy! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bindi's cupboard Posts: 8,089	check the IHS and see if its been tampered with, i.e removed by previous owner. if so he may have removed it and not replaced any thermal interface when he put it back together for the sale. Amon, the 939 based optys were developed for work stations rather than 1u systems. true opty's that live in the land of supercomputer cabinets are 940 pin, and cost a bomb as they are tested to the extreme! lol! AMD just need to shift a load of cores that didn't meet spec for the FX range. __________________ Project log Mocha70 Workstation: Q6600, DFI P45-T2RS Plus, 8GB Reaper HPC, Quadro FX3450, 60Gb Vertex 2 Game: i7 930, GA-X58-USB3, 12GB Kingston, GTX280, 1Tb Seagate, WC

15th Oct 2007, 18:55	#14
oasked Stuck in the Mud Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,573	No sign of any tampering on the IHS as far as I can see. I've managed to pull the bloody chip out of the socket twice now when I check the XP-120, so if he did tamper with the IHS, he secured it back down properly. Oh and I've managed to get my load temperatures down to around 55°C, which is an improvement. __________________ Intel i7 920 @ Stock \| 6GB Corsair DDR3 \| Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 \| WD6401 AALS Zotac GeForce 560Ti \| Lian-Li PC65 \| Enermax 600W SLI \| Dell 2408WFP

15th Oct 2007, 19:01	#15
Jipa Avoiding the "I guess.." since 2004 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 6,272	AFAIK the HSs in oppys are epoxy-glued to the chip, so they can't really be removed (w/o making not making very noticeable marks on the processor (such as it not working at all or being in three pieces)) If the heatsink doesn't feel warm then I'd just blame it on the temperature sensor and not care about the temperatures. __________________ Half a dozen operational setups and truckloads of spare parts. AllTheMods - MetkuMods - LedCalc - Flickr - BF:BC2

15th Oct 2007, 20:55	#16
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15th Oct 2007, 23:31	#17
sandys I am a Dremel Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 1,640	My FX60 used to run at around 70degC no matter what I did also with an XP120 in the end I bought one of those Alphacool water kits which took it down to 50ish but loping the IHS off took another 15degC off, so I reckon some are just ****, then of course I cranked up the voltage and clockspeed to 3Ghz and full load dual core it'll hit 50ish again, it pumps a lot of heat into the WC loop, I can heat a large room with it in no time at all __________________ Into Gaming and around Bristol, UK, Click Here

16th Oct 2007, 00:23	#18
Burnout21 Is the daddy! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bindi's cupboard Posts: 8,089	dont bother with water cooling it. just sort out your air flow. the fan on your XP-120 is a pile of crap compared to other fans out there. get one of these, http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=57&subcat=4 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=57&subcat=4 then use a fan controller if the noise be to much for you. might help temps for you. If you have access to a camera post a pic with the side panel off so we can see possible restrictions in the case. we are getting the opty closer to normal operating temps, which is all good!! __________________ Project log Mocha70 Workstation: Q6600, DFI P45-T2RS Plus, 8GB Reaper HPC, Quadro FX3450, 60Gb Vertex 2 Game: i7 930, GA-X58-USB3, 12GB Kingston, GTX280, 1Tb Seagate, WC

16th Oct 2007, 14:40	#19
oasked Stuck in the Mud Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,573	Well the first fan is slower than my current fan, which produces more CFM (noise isn't an issue as my other case fans drown out most fans). The second fan is out of stock, and I can't find another supplier. Any ideas? Oh and watercooling is out of the question, I don't have the cash! __________________ Intel i7 920 @ Stock \| 6GB Corsair DDR3 \| Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 \| WD6401 AALS Zotac GeForce 560Ti \| Lian-Li PC65 \| Enermax 600W SLI \| Dell 2408WFP Last edited by oasked; 16th Oct 2007 at 14:47.