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Bindibadgi · 26th Oct 2007, 10:20

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...rtalent_ddr3/1

Corsair TWINX and Super Talent provide us with some super fast DDR3 running at a blistering 1,800MHz and 1,866MHz respectively. What can the ultimate memory give to your system? We find out.

Mankz · 26th Oct 2007, 11:31

Its the price thats really amazing....

I mean, its over Â£700 for 4Gb of fairly standard DDR3 at the mo..

Kipman725 · 26th Oct 2007, 12:12

DDR2 is so cheap aswell, you can get 2GB of corsair 800MHz for less than Â£40!

Nature · 26th Oct 2007, 12:25

Great article, shame for the price.

I'd like to see the gaming benches with some cheapo ddr2 800 and with a weaker GPU to show the strength of the ram.

cjmUK · 26th Oct 2007, 14:44

I'm unclear as to why we're eager to recommend the Corsairs... Â£130 vs Slightly cooler and with a bling heatsink & fan...

I'll take my Â£130 quid please. I've used SuperTalent PC3200 in the dim past and they were pretty good. Reliable, cheap and came with a heat spreader as standard.

I'm just a bit concerned that too much credence is given to 'favourite' brands and based on looks. Even in cases with a window, you can barely see the RAM, so who cares what it looks like?

I can see the cooling being a factor. If your rig is such that the RAM doesnt get good airflow, you might consider the Corsair purely because of their heat characteristics.

Actually I dont know why I bother arguing... I'm never going to spend this much on RAM *ever*! It's still makes me cry when I think of the GeIL PC6400 that I bought for Â£300 (4GB) last November is now selling for Â£80. [sniff]

Bluephoenix · 26th Oct 2007, 16:38

I still am avoiding DDR3 until the price comes down and theres an nVidia board that supports it.

on the other hand building a server sounds like a nice idea given how little DDR2 costs these days (32GB anyone

)

Bindibadgi · 26th Oct 2007, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjmUK

I'm unclear as to why we're eager to recommend the Corsairs... Â£130 vs Slightly cooler and with a bling heatsink & fan...

Because if you're going to be paying through the nose you're likely to not give a **** about value in the extreme and want "something" to show for your money. It's a different kettle of fish - like people who buy super cars to run on public roads - they obviously go faster but at the end of the day it's 80/90/250k for e-peen which is what the Corsair Dominators are. The Super Talent is good value for the fastest stuff on earth, but it looks like £50 memory: just like putting a Nissan Micra bodyshell over a Ferrari chassis (assuming it would fit). There's a massive temperature difference that will affect lifespan too - I want to avoid downtime altogether if possible.

You're not going to consider spending money on value DDR2 800 and these in the same thought, you're not even going to consider buying "bog standard" DDR3 either to a certain extent.

If you're going server you want ECC Registered or FBDIMMs anyway to do it properly, otherwise it's not a real "server" just a glorified and non-failsafe workstation.

cjmUK · 26th Oct 2007, 16:52

Yeah... if you've got that much money to spend on RAM, then a budget is not the pressing issue. I can agree about heat & downtime... but looks aren't an argument.

To twist your analogy... how about a Ferrari engine in an Audi, and a Micra engine in an Audi. Except that the Micra runs faster...

I'd be bragging about how fast my PC is rather than opening it up and showing people how cool my RAM looks.

But then again, almost all my purchases are a trade-off between price and performance (see my sig).

Bindibadgi · 26th Oct 2007, 17:25

But Audi's aren't the fastest things on the road - what you're equating to is ~DDR3 1333MHz memory - expensive and "executive" but not the fastest thing on earth. Looks are important to many people - why do you think Dominators and FlexXLC or Reapers sell so well? Same as the Republic of Gamer boards, Cases and hardware with bling lights etcetc

You're in the mainstream mindset of bang per buck, not "performance at any cost"

sheninat0r · 26th Oct 2007, 20:37

O.o

on newegg, the dominator goes for $574.00 and the super talent for $579.99

Bindibadgi · 26th Oct 2007, 21:33

? Same dominators? Linkage please - on newegg they were more expensive yesterday

edit: Newegg were on our US price grabber link yesterday but have gone today!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145188

Wow! They have dropped a TON of price in a day

cjmUK · 26th Oct 2007, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

Wow! They have dropped a TON of price in a day

Bindi, you now have my permission to recommend the Corsairs...

phuzz · 27th Oct 2007, 09:57

(You might want to have a look at the legend on the graph on the last page [Temperatures]. The legend has Green, Blue, and Blue, but the graph has green, light green, red, light red and blue. It's all pretty messed up)

Bindibadgi · 27th Oct 2007, 11:18

LOL Cj

Phuzz - Yea, good point! Sorted it

impar · 28th Oct 2007, 21:33

Greetings!

No DDR2-800 numbers to compare to?

mystikmedia · 29th Oct 2007, 08:56

Could I talk you into including some of the 2GB modules in the test, such as those available from OCZ and Patriot?

Bindibadgi · 29th Oct 2007, 11:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by impar

Greetings!

No DDR2-800 numbers to compare to?

Do you ever see people comparing a family hatchback to a super car?

I know DDR2-800 is "the standard" but the price difference makes it worlds apart.

Mystik - 2GB modules is what I'm aiming for in the future, perhaps. I'm not intending to do any more DDR2/3 until next year as noone wants to push DDR2 atm because prices are so bad and it's been reviewed to death and noone is buying DDR3.

impar · 29th Oct 2007, 12:06

Greetings!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

I know DDR2-800 is "the standard" but the price difference makes it worlds apart.

That is e.x.a.c.t.l.y. why it should be compared! So that people know if they have anything to gain in real tests or just synthetical tests.

A comparison between only DDR3 RAM is pointless.
Sure, you get to know that the A kind behaves better than the B kind but you dont realise what you gain from switching from your current DDR2 system to a DDR3 system.

If you analyse other DDR2 vs DDR3 reviews you get the sense that DDR3 bandwidth is not used in todays systems:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/print/ddr3.html
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=674&p=0

impar · 7th Nov 2007, 10:44

Greetings!

To re-inforce the above post:
DDR3 Accelerates: DDR3-1800 SDRAM Roundup

Overclocker DDR3 SDRAM continues to become faster. For our today’s roundup we managed to collect memory kits from Corsair, OCZ and Super Talent that can work at 1800MHz and higher frequencies. Let’s take a closer look at them and find out if they will be able to win this duel against DDR2 solutions.

26th Oct 2007, 10:20	#1
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,228	Corsair and SuperTalent DDR3 http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...rtalent_ddr3/1 Corsair TWINX and Super Talent provide us with some super fast DDR3 running at a blistering 1,800MHz and 1,866MHz respectively. What can the ultimate memory give to your system? We find out. __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

26th Oct 2007, 12:12	#3
Kipman725 When did I get a custom title!?! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,753	DDR2 is so cheap aswell, you can get 2GB of corsair 800MHz for less than Â£40! __________________ Sn45g game server mod My Electronics Site Hardware: 3400+ Sempr0n, 1GB RAM, 1.28TB local storage, x1950pro,Razer Viper,M$ comfort curve 2000,L70S + 17", Fujitsu 17" CRT Audio: HD-650's, PE congress amp, Sound Blaster AWE64, Soundblaster 24bit

26th Oct 2007, 12:25	#4
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26th Oct 2007, 14:44	#5
cjmUK Old git. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,936	I'm unclear as to why we're eager to recommend the Corsairs... Â£130 vs Slightly cooler and with a bling heatsink & fan... I'll take my Â£130 quid please. I've used SuperTalent PC3200 in the dim past and they were pretty good. Reliable, cheap and came with a heat spreader as standard. I'm just a bit concerned that too much credence is given to 'favourite' brands and based on looks. Even in cases with a window, you can barely see the RAM, so who cares what it looks like? I can see the cooling being a factor. If your rig is such that the RAM doesnt get good airflow, you might consider the Corsair purely because of their heat characteristics. Actually I dont know why I bother arguing... I'm never going to spend this much on RAM ever! It's still makes me cry when I think of the GeIL PC6400 that I bought for Â£300 (4GB) last November is now selling for Â£80. [sniff] __________________ P180B, Q6600 [with Thermalright HR-01+/Noctua NF-P12], 8GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500, EVGA GTX 260 SSC, 3.75TB worth of Samsung F1s, running on Windows 7 RC

26th Oct 2007, 16:52	#8
cjmUK Old git. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,936	Yeah... if you've got that much money to spend on RAM, then a budget is not the pressing issue. I can agree about heat & downtime... but looks aren't an argument. To twist your analogy... how about a Ferrari engine in an Audi, and a Micra engine in an Audi. Except that the Micra runs faster... I'd be bragging about how fast my PC is rather than opening it up and showing people how cool my RAM looks. But then again, almost all my purchases are a trade-off between price and performance (see my sig). __________________ P180B, Q6600 [with Thermalright HR-01+/Noctua NF-P12], 8GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500, EVGA GTX 260 SSC, 3.75TB worth of Samsung F1s, running on Windows 7 RC

26th Oct 2007, 16:38	#6
Bluephoenix Spoon? What spoon? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Posts: 936	I still am avoiding DDR3 until the price comes down and theres an nVidia board that supports it. on the other hand building a server sounds like a nice idea given how little DDR2 costs these days (32GB anyone )

26th Oct 2007, 17:25	#9
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,228	But Audi's aren't the fastest things on the road - what you're equating to is ~DDR3 1333MHz memory - expensive and "executive" but not the fastest thing on earth. Looks are important to many people - why do you think Dominators and FlexXLC or Reapers sell so well? Same as the Republic of Gamer boards, Cases and hardware with bling lights etcetc You're in the mainstream mindset of bang per buck, not "performance at any cost" __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

26th Oct 2007, 20:37	#10
sheninat0r What's a Dremel? Join Date: May 2007 Location: U.S. Posts: 547	O.o on newegg, the dominator goes for $574.00 and the super talent for $579.99 __________________ ...with a crowbar.

26th Oct 2007, 21:33	#11
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,228	? Same dominators? Linkage please - on newegg they were more expensive yesterday edit: Newegg were on our US price grabber link yesterday but have gone today! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145188 Wow! They have dropped a TON of price in a day __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

27th Oct 2007, 09:57	#13
phuzz Hypermodder Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 955	(You might want to have a look at the legend on the graph on the last page [Temperatures]. The legend has Green, Blue, and Blue, but the graph has green, light green, red, light red and blue. It's all pretty messed up)

27th Oct 2007, 11:18	#14
Bindibadgi Richard Swinburne bit-tech Staff Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Omnipwntent Posts: 28,228	LOL Cj Phuzz - Yea, good point! Sorted it __________________ Made you look, made you stare, made you clicked this in your underwear! Den of Geek!

28th Oct 2007, 21:33	#15
impar 2n-1 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 840	Greetings! No DDR2-800 numbers to compare to? __________________ The recruitment of Militia is illegal. Militia-recruiters will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the applicable laws.

29th Oct 2007, 08:56	#16
mystikmedia What's a Dremel? Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1	Could I talk you into including some of the 2GB modules in the test, such as those available from OCZ and Patriot?

7th Nov 2007, 10:44	#19
impar 2n-1 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 840	Greetings! To re-inforce the above post: DDR3 Accelerates: DDR3-1800 SDRAM Roundup Overclocker DDR3 SDRAM continues to become faster. For our today’s roundup we managed to collect memory kits from Corsair, OCZ and Super Talent that can work at 1800MHz and higher frequencies. Let’s take a closer look at them and find out if they will be able to win this duel against DDR2 solutions. __________________ The recruitment of Militia is illegal. Militia-recruiters will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the applicable laws.