bit-tech.net

docodine · 13th Oct 2012, 03:20

Hey all, I want to simplify my desk situation, and I'm beginning to think that an AMD Trinity setup might do the job.

I want to be able to play my usual games (TF2 and LoL) at 1920x1200 with an A10 5800K in the smallest case possible. VESA mountable if possible.

I'm thinking an Antec ISK 110 plus a mini itx FM2 mobo (once they are released, MSI and asrock have announced) , 8GB of 1866 RAM, plus a 256GB SSD. Main issue here is that I don't think the 90W PSU with the ISK 110 will be sufficient.. What can I do here?

Am I expecting too much from the 5800K and this case? What are my alternatives?

This case looks promising, but I don't think there will be a thin ITX FM2 board..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811163219

Instagib · 13th Oct 2012, 09:57

Given the 5800k is a 100w chip, i think that will be a struggle. Have you looked at the antec 300 isk -150? Not too big, but with a 150w psu. Or there's the 310 if you don't like the silver one.

Picarro · 13th Oct 2012, 10:33

You could get a 150w pico PSU? Should be enough to power the chip + some accesories.

[PUNK] crompers · 13th Oct 2012, 13:05

I really think AMD have dropped the ball with their board partners on Trinity to be honest. The ITX boards should have been available from release as thats what most people will want to do with it. Im itching to buy one but its pointless on an ATX board.

docodine · 13th Oct 2012, 13:26

Yeah I don't understand at all why anyone would want Trinity on a full sized board, not sure what AMD was thinking.

Do you think the 150w pico PSU or the PSU in the ISK 300-150 will power this setup?

EDIT: This thread is like a TJ07 owner's club

atanum141 · 13th Oct 2012, 13:34

I too have been thinking about a self contained ITX system, the best combo of size with PSU power in my mind would be a Lian Li PC-Q09FNB. Comes with a 300w PSU as standard. Also cooling for this case is rather good.

Amsalpedalb · 13th Oct 2012, 14:25

Have you considered the 65w A10 5700? You lose the unlocked multiplier and 400mhz of clock speed but it should be much easier on the power requirements.

nimbu · 13th Oct 2012, 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amsalpedalb

Have you considered the 65w A10 5700? You lose the unlocked multiplier and 400mhz of clock speed but it should be much easier on the power requirements.

^^ This

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/amd-a...mhz-65w-retail

Was thinking of doing the same myself, the 7660D seems to be enough for my gaming needs.

docodine · 13th Oct 2012, 14:34

Yeah I've seen the 5700, I just haven't found a review comparing the graphics performance to the 5800k.

[PUNK] crompers · 13th Oct 2012, 15:43

I like the look of the Lian Q02 tbh, would like to go as small as possible, lack of any case fans could be a problem with the 5800k though I guess. Will be interesting to see how you do.

TJ07 cheesecake, wanted one for years and I've finally got it

MrTeal · 13th Oct 2012, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by docodine

Yeah I've seen the 5700, I just haven't found a review comparing the graphics performance to the 5800k.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/FM2_APU_Review/
http://www.silentpcreview.com/AMD_Trinity (page 4)

Amsalpedalb · 13th Oct 2012, 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by docodine

Yeah I've seen the 5700, I just haven't found a review comparing the graphics performance to the 5800k.

I would hope it would be nearly identical, the GPUs are the same, but it would almost certainly be a bit slower due to the lower cpu speed.

docodine · 14th Oct 2012, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTeal

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6332/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/FM2_APU_Review/
http://www.silentpcreview.com/AMD_Trinity (page 4)

None of these review the 5700, thanks though!

MrTeal · 14th Oct 2012, 10:29

The A10-5600K uses the same GPU as the 5700.

Amsalpedalb · 14th Oct 2012, 11:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrTeal

The A10-5600K uses the same GPU as the 5700.

No such thing as an A10-5600K, but if you mean the A8-5600K it uses the 7650D while the A10-5700 uses the 7660D.

MrTeal · 14th Oct 2012, 13:21

I think it's quite obvious I meant the A8-5600K, sorry for being mistaken about these GPUs.

MrGumby · 14th Oct 2012, 16:22

Id possibly opt for 2133mhz ram. Kits over here have dropped in price and the extra memory bandwidth is good for the integrated gpu.

docodine · 23rd Oct 2012, 11:53

FM2 ITX boards are starting to show up on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asrock-FM2A7...item35c0cdd893

Hopefully the price will drop once they appear in regular stores.

The A10-5700 also has strange availability, leading me to believe that it's being geared towards system builders... It's on sale for usually more than the 5800k from what I've seen.

CPU will end up being ~$130, mobo is about ~$150 right now, probably will drop a bit. RAM ~$50. Case + power, no idea. Xigmatek Praeton looks like a neat cooler, should fit slim ITX cases.

MrJay · 23rd Oct 2012, 21:35

I'd seriously consider the A10 - 5700, the hit in performance over the 5800 is more than made up by he lower TDP. Especcially if you are looking at those types of case and PSUs.

I also agree with the RAM, get the highest MHz you can afford. Also be weary of ridiculous DIMM coolers, they are going to limit your case options and 3rd party cooling.

My scythe shuriken only just allows for the height of some standard SODIMMS.

docodine · 24th Oct 2012, 12:34

High mhz low profile RAM isn't exactly common

13th Oct 2012, 03:20	#1
docodine I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,652	Mini ITX Trinity build, help needed Hey all, I want to simplify my desk situation, and I'm beginning to think that an AMD Trinity setup might do the job. I want to be able to play my usual games (TF2 and LoL) at 1920x1200 with an A10 5800K in the smallest case possible. VESA mountable if possible. I'm thinking an Antec ISK 110 plus a mini itx FM2 mobo (once they are released, MSI and asrock have announced) , 8GB of 1866 RAM, plus a 256GB SSD. Main issue here is that I don't think the 90W PSU with the ISK 110 will be sufficient.. What can I do here? Am I expecting too much from the 5800K and this case? What are my alternatives? This case looks promising, but I don't think there will be a thin ITX FM2 board.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811163219 __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| GeForce GTX 480 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 Silverstone TJ07 \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet

13th Oct 2012, 09:57	#2
Instagib Ultramodder Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,052	Given the 5800k is a 100w chip, i think that will be a struggle. Have you looked at the antec 300 isk -150? Not too big, but with a 150w psu. Or there's the 310 if you don't like the silver one. __________________ Silverstone PS07B \| Maximus V Gene \| i7 - 3770K \| 8Gb Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3 1600Mhz \| H70 \| 2OCZ Vector 3 240Gb \| EVGA GTX680SC \|Seasonic 660XP2 Silverstone TJ07\|Rampage 3 Extreme \| i7 950 @ 4.0 \| 12Gb Corsair DDR3 1600mhz \| 2*GTX 570 CUII \| Akasa 1000W Powermax \| 480 rad; all under water

13th Oct 2012, 10:33	#3
Picarro I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 3,310	You could get a 150w pico PSU? Should be enough to power the chip + some accesories. __________________ Intel Core i5 2500k @ 5gHz -:- Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 -:- 2x4 gbCorsair Vengeance 1,5v 1600mHz -:- Gigabyte Windforce X3 GTX 670 -:- Crucial M4 128 gb -:- Samsung F3 Spinpoint 640 gb -:- Corsair H60 with 2x Gentle Typhoon 1850 in push-pull -:- Corsair HX650 -:- Lian Li A05FN -:- Dell U2410 flanked by 2x Dell U2001FP -:- BenQ W1000+ -:-

13th Oct 2012, 13:05	#4
[PUNK] crompers Dremedial Join Date: May 2008 Location: North of the Wall Posts: 2,691	I really think AMD have dropped the ball with their board partners on Trinity to be honest. The ITX boards should have been available from release as thats what most people will want to do with it. Im itching to buy one but its pointless on an ATX board. __________________ \| Main Rig \| TJ07B-W \| 2600k @ 4.7Ghz \| Sabertooth Z77 \| 8GB Corsair Vengance \| EVGA FTW 670 @ 1305Mhz \| Samsung 830 128GB \|1TB Samsung F3 \| EK Supremacy CSQ \| EK FC680 CSQ \| Corsair HX650W \| U2711 \| Filco Majestouch 2 Tenkeyless \| Xonar Essence STX \| Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250ohm \| \| HTPC \| Lian Li Q11-B \| AMD A10 5800k \| ASRock FM2A75M-ITX \| 8GB XMS3 2000 \| 1TB Seagate \| SFX 350W \|

13th Oct 2012, 13:26	#5
docodine I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,652	Yeah I don't understand at all why anyone would want Trinity on a full sized board, not sure what AMD was thinking. Do you think the 150w pico PSU or the PSU in the ISK 300-150 will power this setup? EDIT: This thread is like a TJ07 owner's club __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| GeForce GTX 480 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 Silverstone TJ07 \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet

bit-tech.net

Site Links

Our Other Sites

13th Oct 2012, 13:34	#6
atanum141 I fapped to your post! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 7,878	I too have been thinking about a self contained ITX system, the best combo of size with PSU power in my mind would be a Lian Li PC-Q09FNB. Comes with a 300w PSU as standard. Also cooling for this case is rather good. __________________ Welcome to Thunderdome, B*tch XBL: atanum141

13th Oct 2012, 14:25	#7
Amsalpedalb Minimodder Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 47	Have you considered the 65w A10 5700? You lose the unlocked multiplier and 400mhz of clock speed but it should be much easier on the power requirements. __________________ i5 2500k (stock) ~ Asus P8Z68-V Pro ~ Corsair 8GB 1600mhz ~ Sapphire HD 5850 ~ 256GB Crucial M4 ~ Samsung 1TB ~ Cooler Master ATCS 840.

13th Oct 2012, 14:34	#9
docodine I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,652	Yeah I've seen the 5700, I just haven't found a review comparing the graphics performance to the 5800k. __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| GeForce GTX 480 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 Silverstone TJ07 \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet

13th Oct 2012, 15:43	#10
[PUNK] crompers Dremedial Join Date: May 2008 Location: North of the Wall Posts: 2,691	I like the look of the Lian Q02 tbh, would like to go as small as possible, lack of any case fans could be a problem with the 5800k though I guess. Will be interesting to see how you do. TJ07 cheesecake, wanted one for years and I've finally got it __________________ \| Main Rig \| TJ07B-W \| 2600k @ 4.7Ghz \| Sabertooth Z77 \| 8GB Corsair Vengance \| EVGA FTW 670 @ 1305Mhz \| Samsung 830 128GB \|1TB Samsung F3 \| EK Supremacy CSQ \| EK FC680 CSQ \| Corsair HX650W \| U2711 \| Filco Majestouch 2 Tenkeyless \| Xonar Essence STX \| Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro 250ohm \| \| HTPC \| Lian Li Q11-B \| AMD A10 5800k \| ASRock FM2A75M-ITX \| 8GB XMS3 2000 \| 1TB Seagate \| SFX 350W \|

14th Oct 2012, 10:29	#14
MrTeal Multimodder Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wales Posts: 223	The A10-5600K uses the same GPU as the 5700.

14th Oct 2012, 13:21	#16
MrTeal Multimodder Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Wales Posts: 223	I think it's quite obvious I meant the A8-5600K, sorry for being mistaken about these GPUs. Last edited by MrTeal; 14th Oct 2012 at 13:28.

14th Oct 2012, 16:22	#17
MrGumby CPC 464 User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wakefield Posts: 1,038	Id possibly opt for 2133mhz ram. Kits over here have dropped in price and the extra memory bandwidth is good for the integrated gpu.

23rd Oct 2012, 11:53	#18
docodine I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,652	FM2 ITX boards are starting to show up on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asrock-FM2A7...item35c0cdd893 Hopefully the price will drop once they appear in regular stores. The A10-5700 also has strange availability, leading me to believe that it's being geared towards system builders... It's on sale for usually more than the 5800k from what I've seen. CPU will end up being ~$130, mobo is about ~$150 right now, probably will drop a bit. RAM ~$50. Case + power, no idea. Xigmatek Praeton looks like a neat cooler, should fit slim ITX cases. __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| GeForce GTX 480 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 Silverstone TJ07 \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet Last edited by docodine; 23rd Oct 2012 at 12:03.

23rd Oct 2012, 21:35	#19
MrJay You are always where you want to be Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 518	I'd seriously consider the A10 - 5700, the hit in performance over the 5800 is more than made up by he lower TDP. Especcially if you are looking at those types of case and PSUs. I also agree with the RAM, get the highest MHz you can afford. Also be weary of ridiculous DIMM coolers, they are going to limit your case options and 3rd party cooling. My scythe shuriken only just allows for the height of some standard SODIMMS.

24th Oct 2012, 12:34	#20
docodine I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,652	High mhz low profile RAM isn't exactly common __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| GeForce GTX 480 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 Silverstone TJ07 \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet