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Love it: I'm already using it or planning to do so. 52 44.83%
Hate it: this evil spawn of Satan will never defile the sanctity of my computer. 26 22.41%
It's OK with a Start Menu replacement and while bypassing Metro. 38 32.76%
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Old 16th Jan 2013, 10:57   #2041
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As to the geek question, I used to consider myself a geek but this big hardware upgrade (Athlon x2 to I5) plus the upgrade to Win8 made me reconsider.

I consider my self more an informed power user these days. The frustration around the file corruption, the new gfx card that's been sitting under my desk waiting to be installed, all reinforced my view that I just don't enjoy this like I used to. As I said before, going to stick Linux on the other partition and see if I can get some mojo back.
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Old 16th Jan 2013, 11:18   #2042
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Tbh having used it for a couple of weeks, I don't use metro that much at all I have no need for it. From what little I have used the "new stuff" simply replicates functionality from a browser but in yet another place to look. This is fine on a tablet but when I use a desktop computer I tend to know what I want to do with it.
Exactly, instead of using custom apps for a very specific purpose designed for use with a clunky finger, you have the browser which can multitab and is designed for using with a keyboard and mouse. Metro doesn't add any real functionality to the desktop computer apart from some novelty from live tiles.
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Windows 8 is not designed for just current desktop computers. Neither will its successors be. They are being designed for what comes after keyboard-and-mouse desktops. Things with touch screens, that are both desktop and portable, using keyboard, mouse, pen, gestures, game controllers alike.
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Old 16th Jan 2013, 14:12   #2044
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Windows 8 is not designed for just current desktop computers. Neither will its successors be. They are being designed for what comes after keyboard-and-mouse desktops. Things with touch screens, that are both desktop and portable, using keyboard, mouse, pen, gestures, game controllers alike.
Well thats not much good if I have a non portable, non touch, non pen, non gestures desktop.
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I'm still hung up on the idea of a dedicated mini metro screen for my desktop. That combined with a third party start menu would be the shizness. Although I'm probably the only person that would like something like that.
Me, I'd like that feature too. Quick access to all my programs + all the live tiles always visible. Having a single touchscreen monitor for those tasks, whilst keeping the main monitor(s) non touch to avoid fingerprints and smudges on these monitors that are used for work makes sense in my head.

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Yep. QuickLaunch user here too. No idea why Microsoft is slowingly burying it.
I honestly can't get my head around why anyone would moan about the loss of quicklaunch, when pinning programs to the taskbar does the same thing + adds much more functionality in the form of jumplists, and when the program is open there isn't a doubling up of icons. It's simply win, win, win.

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Well thats not much good if I have a non portable, non touch, non pen, non gestures desktop.
It's still the future though, as is a possible integration of a kinect style input. The Modern UI is more suitable to a Minority Report style of input than the traditional desktop, and who doesn't want to see that come to fruition?
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Well thats not much good if I have a non portable, non touch, non pen, non gestures desktop.
Yeah, obsolescence is a bitch, no? I find my ATi Radeon 1650XT doesn't run Crysis either.
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Yeah, obsolescence is a bitch, no? I find my ATi Radeon 1650XT doesn't run Crysis either.
Nothing says obsolescence like my bleeding edge hardware. (Well apart from my cpu)
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Well thats not much good if I have a non portable, non touch, non pen, non gestures desktop.
You should upgrade your hardware to match the 30+VAT software.
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I honestly can't get my head around why anyone would moan about the loss of quicklaunch, when pinning programs to the taskbar does the same thing + adds much more functionality in the form of jumplists, and when the program is open there isn't a doubling up of icons.
Can you pin a folder shortcut? Or Recycle bin?
Jump lists are available on running programs.
I use small icons, have no problem hitting them with a mouse.
In W8 previews you couldnt even pin resource monitor shortcut. Is that fixed?
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You should upgrade your hardware to match the 30€+VAT software.
People do to play the latest version of Crisis. But that's not the point. The point is that one day her will upgrade his hardware, as everybody does, and it will have all sorts of shiny new features, and Windows is ready to make the most of them.

You are getting too stuck on how Windows 8 fits your current PC and your current way of doing things. It is actually building the foundations for something much bigger than you can see. Not everybody has vision. It's why Steve Jobs was a bit special.
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Personally ill stick to my none touchscreen dell 27inch monitor thanks all the same.

When a touchscreen has the dell Quality then i may consider it, Till that time there is 0 chance id ever buy one or consider it.

For my gaming pc if they made a touch screen game that i wanted to play on a pc id consider the upgrade i guess but can not see that happening.

Microsoft is more content to throw kinnect at us than they are to provide a touchscreen game.
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I'd imagine it depends on the game. A god's-eye view strategy game for instance would work awesomely with a touch screen. A first-person perspective game would work better with Kinect.
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Not everybody has vision..
It's not about vision, windows 8 is not the software in the vision. Its a transitory piece of software. It doesn't fit the vision any more than the last version of windows does. The point is, its a poorly done transition. Its [Metro] not very useful on current desktops, nor does it give any useful elements of "the vision". It gives you jumbo tablet, that's about the height of it.
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It's not about vision, windows 8 is not the software in the vision. Its a transitory piece of software. It doesn't fit the vision any more than the last version of windows does. The point is, its a poorly done transition. Its [Metro] not very useful on current desktops, nor does it give any useful elements of "the vision". It gives you jumbo tablet, that's about the height of it.
They said something very similar about Windows 1 with mouse once. And when Steve Jobs felt that computers should have typeset fonts, everybody thought that he was on crack.

On a Surface, or laptop like the Lenovo Yoga it makes a lot of sense. On a family all-in-one desktop with touch screen it makes a lot of sense. Sure, it needs a lot of refining but so did Windows 1 when it came out. It took a decade to refine that paradigm.
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On a family all-in-one desktop with touch screen it makes a lot of sense.
Does touch-screen itself make sense though? I can't think of many less natural ways of using a desktop PC than touch-screen - tablets yes, laptops yes, a large monitor on a desk, not so much.

I've just been pretending the monitor sat in front of me is touch (it very nearly was, I just swapped out for an AIO and the Dell XPS One-27 was under consideration), and my shoulder is already aching. Large sweeping movements, at full stretch up to above shoulder height followed by switching back to a keyboard in the general lap region, repeating ad infinitum - no thank you.

Touch-pad gestures might make sense, and make sense of the new interface, but I can't see how a desktop touch-screen does.
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Does touch-screen itself make sense though? I can't think of many less natural ways of using a desktop PC than touch-screen - tablets yes, laptops yes, a large monitor on a desk, not so much.

I've just been pretending the monitor sat in front of me is touch (it very nearly was, I just swapped out for an AIO and the Dell XPS One-27 was under consideration), and my shoulder is already aching.
I think the idea is to have the touch-screen immediately in front of you, on hte desk and with a ~30 angle.
You lose the desk for paper work, though.
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And you keep the desk free for paperwork when there's the slab of a 101-key keyboard and mousepad on it?

Again, y'all are getting too stuck on the concept of a literally desktop PC, not a family PC that happens to live on a desk, a table, a sideboard. And on office PCs being sit-down-at-a-desk devices with keyboard-and-mouse input.
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They said something very similar about Windows 1 with mouse once. And when Steve Jobs felt that computers should have typeset fonts, everybody thought that he was on crack.

On a Surface, or laptop like the Lenovo Yoga it makes a lot of sense. On a family all-in-one desktop with touch screen it makes a lot of sense. Sure, it needs a lot of refining but so did Windows 1 when it came out. It took a decade to refine that paradigm.
So we should excuse something which is substandard or unsuitable because it might get better

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