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Xir · 21st Jan 2013, 07:12

When the 660Ti came out the votum was quite clear, there isn’t enough distance pricewise to not recommend going for a 670 instead.
Prices have moved though:

(looked for the cheapest branded offers)
Normal: Gigabyte Windforce GTX660Ti 242€ ~ 203£
OC: Zotac AMP! GTX660Ti 265€ ~ 223£

The absolute cheapest branded one I found in Germany:

Zotac GTX 670 325€ ~ 273£ (most are 15-20£ more)
Haven’t looked at the OC’d ones.

So, a 50-70£ difference (vs. 25£ distance when the cards were first tested.)
zotac-geforce-gtx-660-ti-2gb-amp-extreme - Conclusion

Does this shake the recommendation to go with the 670 (and the score in the article)?

docodine · 21st Jan 2013, 07:19

7950 for £219.98 beats both

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/c...795A-TDJC.html

true_gamer · 21st Jan 2013, 09:11

Zotac are a very good company which don't mind you installing a after market cooler on the GPU. (I.E Waterblock or HSF) Without voiding the warranty, as long as you return the product in it's original factory state.

I would go for the GTX 670 as you can overclock these beyond GTX 680 performance.

jinq-sea · 21st Jan 2013, 09:14

If you're keen on the green team, then I'd vote 670, as TG says, good oc headroom. But, I'd personally go for a 7950 'cos they're (with the state of current drivers), quicker than both in my experience.

mrbungle · 21st Jan 2013, 09:41

The 670 is a superb card, even a reference card has a fairly quiet stock cooler with plenty of overclocking headroom.

The amd drivers have caught up for sure with games like BF3 etc, but IMO it always seems to take them a while to get them upto scratch with some of games. Latest drivers anything 7870 and up is worth considering.

Xir · 21st Jan 2013, 11:58

I've gone AMD-ATI in the last few builds, it's time to try Intel-NVidia...

Just for comparing, the 7950 boost starts at 250€ ~ 210£

It's just that the 670's price isn't moving at all.

true_gamer · 21st Jan 2013, 11:59

They won't until AMD brings the HD8000 series to the table.

Xir · 21st Jan 2013, 12:05

They have, haven't they?

AMD @ CES

true_gamer · 21st Jan 2013, 12:14

Yes but it's not on sale yet, is what I was saying. So as soon as it is, then the prices will drop.

Xir · 21st Jan 2013, 12:19

Hmmm, good info that, I was fearing as much.

I've got a cash-back offer on the motherboard (ASUS ROG in Germany, 25€) till the end of this month, and the Asus Maximus V gene for 125€ ~100£ is a steal...

NetSphere · 21st Jan 2013, 12:32

I would also agree that the 7950 sounds like a pretty good deal if you're rocking at 1080p. I would think that it would be more than enough to ultra nearly everything you can throw at it. (Maybe not ultra max with all the tessellation stuff in BF3...)

I'm currently rocking with a 670 OC and sometimes I do think it's overkill. No, wait, who am I kidding?

At the time, there was no 660Ti and the gap with the 7950 was bigger since it was before all the driver updates.

Spreadie · 21st Jan 2013, 12:44

To answer your original question, even clocking the nuts off a 660Ti will not put it on par with a 670. Whereas many 670s will comfortably clock up to ~ 680 stock performance.

As to whether AMDs offerings are better on a bang per buck basis, there isn't a gulf of difference between them, so just research benchmarks on the games you play. If you find the 7950 offers comparable or better rates than the 670, go for it.

TBH though it's not that big a deal if you're gaming at 19x10 - both the 670 and the 79xx cards will monster most games at that res for quite some time*.

*uber hi res texture add-ons permitting.

Xir · 21st Jan 2013, 12:51

Hmmm, most reviews see the 7950 a league below the 670...the 7970 is comparable?

Spreadie · 21st Jan 2013, 12:57

Yeah, I was pretty sure the 7950 didn't stack up to the 670, but couldn't be bothered to go digging - still a decent card though. The 7970 is a closer match, and the GHz edition out paces the 670 and competes with the 680.

Again, at 19x10 all of the above will serve you well.

BTW, I don't buy the argument that AMD cards are better because they offer more VRAM - they seem to need the extra memory to compete. Whether this is a throwback to the crappy memory controller performance shared by their CPUs... I don't know, but this isn't a fanboy argument - I'll quite happily swap between AMD and Nvidia when upgrading - just get the most for your money.

true_gamer · 21st Jan 2013, 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spreadie

this isn't a fanboy argument - I'll quite happily swap between AMD and Nvidia when upgrading - just get the most for your money.

And I've proved that too, swapping between sides. Though at this moment in time, I would go with Nvidia over AMD, more so when it comes to running multiple cards.

docodine · 21st Jan 2013, 21:17

with the latest drivers the 7970 beats the 680, and the 7950 trades with the 670

the 7950 overclocks better than the 670 and has more vram

if you look at old reviews you'll get inaccurate numbers xir

Cei · 21st Jan 2013, 21:20

Uh huh. Where are your recent reviews for these facts?

docodine · 21st Jan 2013, 21:35

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/08/2..._670_hd_7950/1

and that was on 12.8, 12.11 improved performance further

the 7950 is cheaper than the 670 and it comes with four games, no brainer imo

edit:

http://hardocp.com/article/2012/11/1...rison_roundup/

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Elton · 21st Jan 2013, 21:44

7950 is actually the smarter choice now given that it's price has lowered so much. If only the 670s dropped in price.

st1x · 21st Jan 2013, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by true_gamer

Yes but it's not on sale yet, is what I was saying. So as soon as it is, then the prices will drop.

couldnt find a date for this, has a press release been issued yet does anyone know?

It will definitely affect my potential purchases if it's close....

Nic

21st Jan 2013, 07:12	#1
Xir I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Saxony / Germany Posts: 3,520	GTX670 vs. GTX660Ti When the 660Ti came out the votum was quite clear, there isn’t enough distance pricewise to not recommend going for a 670 instead. Prices have moved though: (looked for the cheapest branded offers) Normal: Gigabyte Windforce GTX660Ti 242€ ~ 203£ OC: Zotac AMP! GTX660Ti 265€ ~ 223£ The absolute cheapest branded one I found in Germany: Zotac GTX 670 325€ ~ 273£ (most are 15-20£ more) Haven’t looked at the OC’d ones. So, a 50-70£ difference (vs. 25£ distance when the cards were first tested.) zotac-geforce-gtx-660-ti-2gb-amp-extreme - Conclusion Does this shake the recommendation to go with the 670 (and the score in the article)? __________________ SN25P A64 3700+ (San Diego) 2 GB DDR400 OCZ Platinum EL 2-3-2-5 1T X1800XT 512mb Sapphire 200GB Samsung SP2004C 24" Asus something 1920x1080

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docodine ╣▓▒▒░░▒▒▓╠ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,649	7950 for £219.98 beats both http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/c...795A-TDJC.html __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| GeForce GTX 480 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 Silverstone TJ07 \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet

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true_gamer Cheesecake anyone?© Join Date: May 2009 Location: Crytek Laboratory Rep: -9,840,284 points Posts: 5,168	Zotac are a very good company which don't mind you installing a after market cooler on the GPU. (I.E Waterblock or HSF) Without voiding the warranty, as long as you return the product in it's original factory state. I would go for the GTX 670 as you can overclock these beyond GTX 680 performance. __________________ i7 3930K @ 4.7GHz - ASUS Rampage IV Extreme - 16GB Corsair 2400MHz 10 12 12 31 - 3x EVGA GTX 670 F.T.W 4GB Tri SLI with AquagraFX waterblocks Cores: 1306MHz Memory's: 7114MHz - 128GB OCZ Vector SSD - PNY Prevail 120GB SSD - 2TB WD Black Caviar - Silverstone TJ07 - Silverstone Strider 1KW - Samsung DVD/RW - Custom Waterloop - U2713HM 2560x1440 @ 90Hz Overclocked ORIGIN username: wipeyourarse - Steam ID: true_gamer - UPLAY ID: true_gamer My Crysis 3 Ultra Config My Crysis 1 ultra Config

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mrbungle Undercooked chicken giver Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK-Wolverhampton Posts: 3,006	The 670 is a superb card, even a reference card has a fairly quiet stock cooler with plenty of overclocking headroom. The amd drivers have caught up for sure with games like BF3 etc, but IMO it always seems to take them a while to get them upto scratch with some of games. Latest drivers anything 7870 and up is worth considering. __________________ One//i5 3570K 4.5Ghz//Z68X-UD4-B3//8gb DDR3//EVGA 670 F.T.W.//HX850W//CM690ii//2x128 V200 SSD//Xonar DG// Two//i5 2500K 4.5Ghz//Assrock Z68 Gen3//8gb DDR3//MSI 7970//TX750W//Akasa Mirage//128 Vertex+ SSD//Xonar DG//

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21st Jan 2013, 11:58	#6
Xir I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Saxony / Germany Posts: 3,520	I've gone AMD-ATI in the last few builds, it's time to try Intel-NVidia... Just for comparing, the 7950 boost starts at 250€ ~ 210£ It's just that the 670's price isn't moving at all. __________________ SN25P A64 3700+ (San Diego) 2 GB DDR400 OCZ Platinum EL 2-3-2-5 1T X1800XT 512mb Sapphire 200GB Samsung SP2004C 24" Asus something 1920x1080

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Xir I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Saxony / Germany Posts: 3,520	Hmmm, good info that, I was fearing as much. I've got a cash-back offer on the motherboard (ASUS ROG in Germany, 25€) till the end of this month, and the Asus Maximus V gene for 125€ ~100£ is a steal... __________________ SN25P A64 3700+ (San Diego) 2 GB DDR400 OCZ Platinum EL 2-3-2-5 1T X1800XT 512mb Sapphire 200GB Samsung SP2004C 24" Asus something 1920x1080

21st Jan 2013, 12:32	#11
NetSphere Multimodder Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: London Posts: 101	I would also agree that the 7950 sounds like a pretty good deal if you're rocking at 1080p. I would think that it would be more than enough to ultra nearly everything you can throw at it. (Maybe not ultra max with all the tessellation stuff in BF3...) I'm currently rocking with a 670 OC and sometimes I do think it's overkill. No, wait, who am I kidding? At the time, there was no 660Ti and the gap with the 7950 was bigger since it was before all the driver updates. __________________ Antec P280 - Ivy Bridge 3570k @ 4.0 GHz - Arctic Cooling Freezer i30 - Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H - 2x4GB Corsair Vengeance LP 1.5V - 2GB ASUS GTX670 DIRECT CUII TOP - 256GB Samsung 830 Series - 850W Corsair HX850

21st Jan 2013, 12:44	#12
Spreadie No disassemble! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: an island in the south Posts: 5,275	To answer your original question, even clocking the nuts off a 660Ti will not put it on par with a 670. Whereas many 670s will comfortably clock up to ~ 680 stock performance. As to whether AMDs offerings are better on a bang per buck basis, there isn't a gulf of difference between them, so just research benchmarks on the games you play. If you find the 7950 offers comparable or better rates than the 670, go for it. TBH though it's not that big a deal if you're gaming at 19x10 - both the 670 and the 79xx cards will monster most games at that res for quite some time. uber hi res texture add-ons permitting. __________________ Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! 2500K\|Gene-Z\|8GB\|670\|X-Fi\|V1200+\|3007WFP-HC\|M4\|F3\|MK-85\|G500\|EK Full Ni\|FC670\|D5\|360 GTS\|240 UT60

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Xir I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Saxony / Germany Posts: 3,520	Hmmm, most reviews see the 7950 a league below the 670...the 7970 is comparable? __________________ SN25P A64 3700+ (San Diego) 2 GB DDR400 OCZ Platinum EL 2-3-2-5 1T X1800XT 512mb Sapphire 200GB Samsung SP2004C 24" Asus something 1920x1080

21st Jan 2013, 12:57	#14
Spreadie No disassemble! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: an island in the south Posts: 5,275	Yeah, I was pretty sure the 7950 didn't stack up to the 670, but couldn't be bothered to go digging - still a decent card though. The 7970 is a closer match, and the GHz edition out paces the 670 and competes with the 680. Again, at 19x10 all of the above will serve you well. BTW, I don't buy the argument that AMD cards are better because they offer more VRAM - they seem to need the extra memory to compete. Whether this is a throwback to the crappy memory controller performance shared by their CPUs... I don't know, but this isn't a fanboy argument - I'll quite happily swap between AMD and Nvidia when upgrading - just get the most for your money. __________________ Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! 2500K\|Gene-Z\|8GB\|670\|X-Fi\|V1200+\|3007WFP-HC\|M4\|F3\|MK-85\|G500\|EK Full Ni\|FC670\|D5\|360 GTS\|240 UT60 Last edited by Spreadie; 21st Jan 2013 at 13:02.

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docodine ╣▓▒▒░░▒▒▓╠ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,649	with the latest drivers the 7970 beats the 680, and the 7950 trades with the 670 the 7950 overclocks better than the 670 and has more vram if you look at old reviews you'll get inaccurate numbers xir __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| GeForce GTX 480 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 Silverstone TJ07 \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet

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docodine ╣▓▒▒░░▒▒▓╠ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,649	http://hardocp.com/article/2012/08/2..._670_hd_7950/1 and that was on 12.8, 12.11 improved performance further the 7950 is cheaper than the 670 and it comes with four games, no brainer imo edit: http://hardocp.com/article/2012/11/1...rison_roundup/ more recent __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| GeForce GTX 480 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 Silverstone TJ07 \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet

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