Windows Windows 8 Marmite thread... Because you either love it or hate it.

[impar]

Greetings!

Originally Posted by Nexxo

I remember the days when you had to go to Start to select Shut Down and then select Sleep, Hibernate, Shut Down or (natch) Log Off. Then, in W95 times, you had to wait until your PC had gone through its shut down ritual and parked the HDD and told you it was safe to turn off the computer, by pressing the physical power button. No-one ever complained about this.

Pretty sure someone complained, Microsoft did change the shutdown process.

Originally Posted by Nexxo

But we got used to the idea that you had to tell your PC to shut down, in three actions (same as in Windows 8; the location has changed but that's all), rather than just poke the power button.

W7, press Start, press Shutdown, two actions.
As for the power button, two of the PCs I work at have the power button near the floor (one of them is hidden bellow a table and chairs), NOT handy at all to press the power button each time I have to shutdown them, gives me enough trouble to power them up.

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[RichCreedy]

or create a shortcut on the desktop/modern interface its not hard shutdown -s

touch on a desktop is awesome, I have a touchscreen on my desktop, when browsing, scrolling the page up and down seems more natural with a finger on the screen than using scroll wheel, turning pages on kindle app is better, I could go on...

[Risky]

What on earth is up with ActiveX filtering in IE10? I've fiddled with the settings turned if off and on and off again, gone into the defailed settings but still you get a "controls have been disabled" message and it is impossible to enable them. I can't even use the checkout in some online stores.

Yeah I have chrome as well but I was quite liking IE10 apart from this.

[theshadow2001]

Originally Posted by Nexxo

As was said: press the power button? Close the lid?

I remember the days when you had to go to Start to select Shut Down and then select Sleep, Hibernate, Shut Down or (natch) Log Off. Then, in W95 times, you had to wait until your PC had gone through its shut down ritual and parked the HDD and told you it was safe to turn off the computer, by pressing the physical power button. No-one ever complained about this.

But we got used to the idea that you had to tell your PC to shut down, in three actions (same as in Windows 8; the location has changed but that's all), rather than just poke the power button. Well guess what? Now you can just poke the power button.

I'm sure no one complained because it was some improvement over the precursor (I can't remember pre it's safe to shutdown your computer) although I have used windows older than 95. (Actually I can remember using DOS as a lad and floppy floppies) You had access to fewer opinions of others in those days too.

Also I'm pretty sure from a number of previous windows versions you can set your physical power button to shutdown the computer. Sometimes hitting the power button can be more awkward than doing it from software. I have also had instances where shutting using the power button wasn't successful. Something I have never experienced with the software method.

The number of actions from 7 and vista was was 1 click start 2 click shutdown. Now its 1 activate charms, 2 click on settings, 3 click power, 4 click shutdown. Thats more actions as far as I can tell.

[supermonkey]

Originally Posted by Nexxo

Critics cannot have it both ways. They argue that the Surface RT was a dud because it did not sell many, ignoring the fact that it was in limited supply (it is only now being released on the European market and took until December to even appear in US and UK shops). Now they argue that the Surface Pro is not really a success, pointing to its limited supply.

Meanwhile, ZDNet is now arguing that the two models should have been a different colour. That's right: we're now down to criticising their colours. The hate is getting a bit pathetic.

That was partly my point: even in limited supply, was it selling out the way in which the Pro is selling out? I don't know if the critics are claiming that the Pro isn't a success; rather, they're calling Microsoft on marketing BS.

And yes, criticizing the color is a pretty weak argument.

[faugusztin]

Originally Posted by impar

As for the power button, two of the PCs I work at have the power button near the floor (one of them is hidden bellow a table and chairs), NOT handy at all to press the power button each time I have to shutdown them, gives me enough trouble to power them up.

Originally Posted by theshadow2001

Sometimes hitting the power button can be more awkward than doing it from software.

Your comments are all nice and cool, but i think we should go back to the post we were answering :

Originally Posted by fathazza

I bought a touchscreen windows 8 laptop this week (asus s200E) and for something that is meant to be intuitive windows 8 feels remarkably laboured and unfriendly. i.e it took me five minutes to find out how to shut the thing down as they hid that behind 3-4 layers of needless touchscreenery.

Are you guys trying to say that hitting the power button or closing the lid on a laptop is hard or awkward ?

[theshadow2001]

Originally Posted by faugusztin

Your comments are all nice and cool, but i think we should go back to the post we were answering :

Are you guys trying to say that hitting the power button or closing the lid on a laptop is hard or awkward ?

ok.....

Originally Posted by theshadow2001

I have also had instances where shutting using the power button wasn't successful. Something I have never experienced with the software method.

[faugusztin]

The only case using power button would not work is if you assigned "No action" to the power button in Power Options.

[dullonien]

Originally Posted by theshadow2001

I have also had instances where shutting using the power button wasn't successful. Something I have never experienced with the software method.

I use the power button to shut down my pc every time, and do so every night. and for the entire time I've been using Windows 8 (since the first public beta, more than a year ago?) I've not had an issue with it not working.

The default assignment to hitting the power button is to shut-down the computer, so there shouldn't be an issue really.

Having said all of this, I still have no idea why MS didn't include a shut-down button on the start screen, or directly on the charms bar. For people used to hitting start->shut down, doing this would have simply avoided criticism.

Originally Posted by theshadow2001

The number of actions from 7 and vista was was 1 click start 2 click shutdown. Now its 1 activate charms, 2 click on settings, 3 click power, 4 click shutdown. Thats more actions as far as I can tell.

To be pedantic, in Vista is was 3 clicks. Start->small button next to sleep->shut down. The default assignment for the sleep button couldn't be changed from what I remember (this changed in 7). I could check on my gf's laptop which is running Vista, but can't be bothered right now.

[RedFlames]

Originally Posted by dullonien

Having said all of this, I still have no idea why MS didn't include a shut-down button on the start screen.

Because you're supposed to just let it go to sleep? Everything seems to be geared towards a tablet/phone-like 'always on' [in some form] state of affairs.

[dullonien]

Originally Posted by RedFlames

Because you're supposed to just let it go to sleep? Everything seems to be geared towards a tablet/phone-like 'always on' [in some form] state of affairs.

I've ran into problems leaving my pc to go to sleep over several days, but that's mainly due to the several demanding programs I often have open. Whilst the memory management is good in Windows 8, it can struggle coming out of sleep with several 50MP drawings open in Photoshop, a few complex AutoCAD drawings, and a 3ds Max model open. When I have that much open though, windows also struggles slightly to cycle between programs.

This probably just highlights that I need more RAM, rather than a problem with the sleep instead of shut-down premise.

[RedFlames]

I generally save and close anything strenuous like 3ds max or large photoshop stuff before letting it sleep as I had that exact problem with windows 7 [it not waking up]. When it did wake up it took a while to get it's bearings again.

[theshadow2001]

Originally Posted by dullonien

To be pedantic, in Vista is was 3 clicks. Start->small button next to sleep->shut down. The default assignment for the sleep button couldn't be changed from what I remember (this changed in 7). I could check on my gf's laptop which is running Vista, but can't be bothered right now.

You are right, that's the default. I had vistas power button set to shutdown not suspend. This is not a choice you get in windows 8 as there is no power button to set

[theshadow2001]

Originally Posted by faugusztin

The only case using power button would not work is if you assigned "No action" to the power button in Power Options.

Try shutting it down if its in a bit of a sleep is one instance I can think of. But if I have had trouble it was probably due to some bit of software running somewhere, or not shutdown fully.

[faugusztin]

Originally Posted by theshadow2001

Try shutting it down if its in a bit of a sleep is one instance I can think of.

4 second push works all the time .

[steveo_mcg]

Though worth noting that is what completely killed my previous install and caused much much swearing in the house!

[Nexxo]

Originally Posted by impar

W7, press Start, press Shutdown, two actions.

Three. Press Start, Press Shutdown, Press the right option from the Shutdown menu (Shutdown, Hibernate, Sleep).

Originally Posted by impar

As for the power button, two of the PCs I work at have the power button near the floor (one of them is hidden bellow a table and chairs), NOT handy at all to press the power button each time I have to shutdown them, gives me enough trouble to power them up.

As RichCreedy says:

Originally Posted by RichCreedy

or create a shortcut on the desktop/modern interface its not hard shutdown -s

Some BIOS have an option to turn on the PC by pressing a key on the keyboard. I once had an MSI dual MP board that would turn on the PC if you just typed in a password. Pretty neat.

Originally Posted by theshadow2001

You are right, that's the default. I had vistas power button set to shutdown not suspend. This is not a choice you get in windows 8 as there is no power button to set

Try power management settings?

[theshadow2001]

Originally Posted by Nexxo

Try power management settings?

Oops, I meant software button, like in 7 and vista and what you get with start8

[Nexxo]

When I click the Win 8 power button, a little menu comes up with the options Shutdown, Hibernate, Suspend. Only when I select one of these options does it proceed. Does that not happen with you?

[theshadow2001]

Originally Posted by Nexxo

When I click the Win 8 power button, a little menu comes up with the options Shutdown, Hibernate, Suspend. Only when I select one of these options does it proceed. Does that not happen with you?

Yes it does thats exactly what happens. What I was referring to was the button below (ignore the red arrow)



which says "Shut down" and is beside the little arrow button that gives you all of your shutdown log out and restart options.

Windows 8 does not have an equivalent of this button, which can be configured with a single purpose such as shutdown, logout sleep etc.

Which is where I get the two step shutdown, start and then this button.