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Old 27th Feb 2013, 15:57   #61
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What's so special about the computer games industry?
Many products cost more than games to develop and you can resell them, cars for instance cost more than games to develop and people resell them, My main complaint is that the game industry seems to think they are some special case and should be treated differently, in a free economy/market there is no reason why they should be.
Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear.

First of all, have you not noticed, that in actual fact, the games industry doesn't consider itself a special case? You can't buy second hand MP3s, second hand Ebooks etc either.

Second of all: How about the fact that a used game is EXACTLY the same as a new one? Don't you see that when you buy a second hand car, the reason its cheaper is due to wear and tear - you are getting an inferior product, but at a reduced price.

When you buy a second hand game, the box might not be as shiny, but importantly the actual game itself is exactly the same as it was when bought brand new.
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The printed word on a page in a book is just data stored, code on a disc is just data stored but once I've bought a book I can resell it as it has some resale value
Personally, I like to keep my library of games like I keep my library of books.

If I hadn't I would have had to buy some low spec games to run on my budget laptop that I picked up to take on travels rather than just load up some Age of Empires from my library. In the long run that saved me money.

But then that's just me and that's also why I like a physical copy generally.
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Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear.

First of all, have you not noticed, that in actual fact, the games industry doesn't consider itself a special case? You can't buy second hand MP3s, second hand Ebooks etc either.
Perhaps he should have simply stated what makes the digital goods industry think its so special. As what applies to games can apply to the rest and vice versa

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Second of all: How about the fact that a used game is EXACTLY the same as a new one? Don't you see that when you buy a second hand car, the reason its cheaper is due to wear and tear - you are getting an inferior product, but at a reduced price.

When you buy a second hand game, the box might not be as shiny, but importantly the actual game itself is exactly the same as it was when bought brand new.
Surely this is merely an arugment for charging more money for second hand games. Its not one for or against the second hand game industry though.
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If the game shops were willing to pay more to get the games in the first place id be more open to a second hand games trade.

Problem is they just rip off kids who want the latest titles and offer them a shocking 5-15 max per game which is an absolute disgrace.

Then they resell them for 30-35 in some cases so more than a 100% markup and people say Apple rip people off, Its nothing compared to what Game and Gamestop do to the younger generation on game trade in.

What happened to the good old paper round used to pay my gaming habbit easily enough.
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Personally, I like to keep my library of games like I keep my library of books. .
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If the game shops were willing to pay more to get the games in the first place id be more open to a second hand games trade.

Problem is they just rip off kids who want the latest titles and offer them a shocking 5-15 max per game which is an absolute disgrace.

Then they resell them for 30-35 in some cases so more than a 100% markup and people say Apple rip people off, Its nothing compared to what Game and Gamestop do to the younger generation on game trade in.

What happened to the good old paper round used to pay my gaming habbit easily enough.
The reason a video game store buys at such shoddy prices is because of the excessive stock they have. The more they have in stock the lower the price. And then still sell for double what they pay the person trading in. This is common with Game and CEX.

Unless there is a trade in offer for a newly released game then you will never get a good price trading in second hand games.

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Christ this thread's gone off tangent.
Well I need somewhere to keep 'The Very Hungry Caterpillar' don't I?

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From everyones sigs I can ascertain most of us can play f*****g Tomb Raider.

Also that ShinyAli should fill in a rather long butthurt form.

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Then they resell them for 30-35 in some cases so more than a 100% markup and people say Apple rip people off, Its nothing compared to what Game and Gamestop do to the younger generation on game trade in.
So over 100 percent markup... and what exactly is wrong with that I might ask, many products you buy do not have a markup in the hundreds of percent but the thousands, especially brand clothing stores may take as much as 10 000 percent (yes you read that right) markup on some products.
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That's pretty rich coming from you mate with your attitude after you tell me that I would be better off going to a pirate site, when did I ever say that I didn't want to pay for a game, never.
If you can't find a shop that will buy your games try ebay a lot of used games sell well on there and new sealed games are often cheaper on ebay than anywhere else including steam and you never answered all my points either, like I said, if you don't like what I post then don't reply.

The printed word on a page in a book is just data stored, code on a disc is just data stored but once I've bought a book I can resell it as it has some resale value unlike some games that can only be activated once and have no replay value as a used game, other manufacturers on the market have to survive with their products being resold, there is no reason why the games industry should expect to be treated any differently.
I have never said Steam is the all-time cheapest way to buy games ever, I've bought a few on Amazon when they've been cheaper, which is generally any game that isn't on sale on Steam at the time. Even during the last sale there were plenty I thought of buying but Amazon had a physical copy for cheaper than the sale price so I held off.

And as Parge mentioned, you're deluded if you think a used game is the same as a used car. With a used car, the incentive to buy it is that it's cheaper than new. The trade-off is that it's in actual used condition, parts will be worn and need replacing sooner etc etc. With games there is absolutely no difference between new and used, especially if bought through Steam itself. If second hand was cheaper no-one would ever buy new because why on earth would they? It'd make perfect sense to buy second hand all the time because you wouldn't be losing out. Which is fine until developers go out of business and you don't have any games to trade. My point about pirate sites is that the only difference between them and second hand games in a shop is that you put a few quid in the shop owners pocket.


But aside from all that crap I'm still genuinely interested to hear a proper grown-up response to my breakdown of the cost and so on and how you think that's a more sensible way to buy games. If a game only costs you 3, who cares that you can't trade it in?
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If a game only costs you 3, who cares that you can't trade it in?
Indeed, I rarely buy on release, I'm too tight. Funny thing is is when I do pick up a bargain I tend to enjoy it more. In reality I can't play games quick enough to keep up with new releases anyway.

Take Farcry2, many people slated that but I got it for around 2 or 3 on offer and I really liked it, alot moreso than if I'd picked it up for 20 or so.

It also depends on how you look at it, if you compare games to say a DVD that lasts 2 hours then you could say you're losing out.

However, if you compare it to the rental of a DVD then in order to get equivalent viewing time you would have to multiply that rental several times over to make an equivalent comparison.

For example, Battlefield 3 in DVD rental terms (for me) would have cost well over 1000. I don't think it has been a bad deal at all.
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Dividing the play time by cost is how I looked at Battlefield 3 and the Premium. Which I paid full price.

This compared the Guild Wars 2 at much less play time means I have currently wasted money.
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I just use Steam for the bargains.

Most of my games were 5.

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How you liking Gianna Sisters? Saw it a while back and was waiting for a fall in price but haven't been looking since.

To say a used game is exactly the same as a brand new game ignores one significant aspect in my mind. How much of the decision to buy a new game is based on the hype (both from the advertisers and the fellow gamers on forums etc.) so by buying brand new you get to be in on that excitement. You wait for a few months to buy it used and everyone is talking about something new already. That's a genuine reason in my mind why a used game is devalued compared to a new one - the social exclusivity factor.
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How you liking Gianna Sisters? Saw it a while back and was waiting for a fall in price but haven't been looking since.
It's great there's a dx10-11 option, graphics are good.. simple game but fun.

I actually missed the Steam sale by a day but got it on Green man gaming who give you a Steam code anyway.

The few videos i've seen of Tombraider it looks very good, they have been working on this for quite a while I remember when they announed Guardian of light they said we are working on 2 projects.

Requirements are fair but definitely a step up from other Tombraider games.
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