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GreatOldOne · 20th May 2005, 14:05

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/05...x_ppu_details/

Da Dego · 20th May 2005, 14:14

Thanks!

I have a few questions about this. The PPU in my opinion is a great idea (though with all this bussing back and forth, I'm honestly worried about the bridge chips). But Wil, you state in the article that you don't know how many developers are going to come on board to support extra technology that costs $249...Huh!?

In this day and age the high-end gamers use chips that cost $800, video cards that cost $400 a piece, etc...all in the name of faster, more realistic gaming. If they bothered to program HDR, why wouldn't they program for this?

Companies are a little slow to pick up on it because it is rather new to the world (its functional existance was only really broadcast about 3-4 months ago, if that). I see havoc doing a patch of their physics engine in some of their already released games for this (as well as others) once they really get to know the technology. Either that, or it will be overtaken by Novodex, which can already support SMP technology.

Also, it's more than a rumor that Unreal3 is alread on board with this technology, it's broadcast on the PPU maker's website.

So they're getting some funding for this little 'project' from Epic and a couple other companies (including Secret Level and Sony)...they're also designing a slightly scaled down version of the Physx chip for the PS3.

LoneArchon · 20th May 2005, 15:51

Looking at the sample card it seems to have both PCI and PCI-E interfaces on the card. Also how much power with this card consume. By the look of it with the molex connector quite a bit. We may need the 1Kw power supply soon

DeathAwaitsU · 20th May 2005, 15:54

$249

I'm sorry but are your havin a fu**in laugh there, no way would i pay that for it, also i won't even be able to buy it for my system in 6 months!! I mean come on, who the hell releases somethin only on a standard thats almost dead

.

Death

Da Dego · 20th May 2005, 16:02

Death,

They're actually both PCI and PCI-E. So don't worry about that. Seriously, though. How much will you pay for your next GFX card? Because this will rival that in its change to your gaming.

We're talking FULLY DEFORMABLE terrain here. Instead of 20-some objects moveable on screen, it will be in the thousands. Instead of graphical bullet holes, there will be genuine holes in objects that can be seen through, widened...or the whole wall can just be blown apart, in chunks that will get left on the floor. Rockets will finally do what they're supposed to.

To me, this is a whole new step. Ragdoll is great, but we're limited by the CPU process as to how many things can be involved. We can push a barrel, knock it around...but by the time you have a few objects on the screen that can be moved, you have to nail down all the other ones. That is now changing, and drastically.

DeathAwaitsU · 20th May 2005, 16:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Dego

They're actually both PCI and PCI-E. So don't worry about that. Seriously, though.

I noticed that when i clicked the link but even though it has both, the final product may well be only released on pci

.

Death

Kevo · 20th May 2005, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Dego

We're talking FULLY DEFORMABLE terrain here. Instead of 20-some objects moveable on screen, it will be in the thousands. Instead of graphical bullet holes, there will be genuine holes in objects that can be seen through, widened...or the whole wall can just be blown apart, in chunks that will get left on the floor. Rockets will finally do what they're supposed to.

Ahem.... Red Faction....

Da Dego · 20th May 2005, 16:48

Bah, we're talkin a lot prettier than that, Kevo...

Brew · 20th May 2005, 17:04

I think the physics chip will have a lot to offer in a while when there are games to fully support it. Not sure about the $249 price tag though...

And manufacturers would be fully stupid not to release this on PCI-E as PCI is now technically "legacy"

Isuo · 20th May 2005, 17:14

Sounds too good to be true.
I'm just concerned about the effect to multiplayer games.
Slower servers? No multiplayer at all?

Da Dego · 20th May 2005, 17:42

Hmmmm...now THAT's an interesting point. A LOT more objects to track over servers. But still, I doubt it would be too much a problem.

DeathAwaitsU · 20th May 2005, 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Dego

Hmmmm...now THAT's an interesting point. A LOT more objects to track over servers. But still, I doubt it would be too much a problem.

You not heard about 1GB Broadband

We will probably have that by the time this works with the likes of CS: S

.

Death

Da Dego · 20th May 2005, 19:35

Woooo!!! No, I missed that.

1Gbps!?

The UK ain't the only place dreamin' of that. My whole apartment is rigged at gigabit ethernet...those speeds would be phenomenal coming from the internet...

Oh, and YAAAAY!!!! POST 750!!!! And it wasn't spent arguing over Windows piracy!!!

Now how the bloody 'ell am I supposed to change this stupid title by my avatar?

Firehed · 20th May 2005, 20:31

"Interestingly, the unit will be a PCI card, not PCI-Express. According to X-Bit Labs, Asus will be the primary manufacturing partner."

The hell are you talking about... look at the top-right of the card!

Anyways, I'll have to see what amazing things the card can do before I drop $250 on one. Sounds very promising, but we'll see.

Da Dego · 20th May 2005, 20:33

I heard they'll be releasing both models...

Firehed, how the 'ell do I change this title?

Ben · 20th May 2005, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Dego

I heard they'll be releasing both models...

Firehed, how the 'ell do I change this title?

you need to wait till 45mins past the hour.

now this could be interesting, finally a reason to upgrade.

Da Dego · 20th May 2005, 20:49

Eh? 45 past what hour?

Yeah, I'm pretty psyched about these things. Part of the 'plastic' appearance in games to me is that so few of the objects we see actually move. It's like "oh, there's a table with stuff on it!" and then you bump the table, and maybe it moves, but the stuff on it doesn't...and then it's "Oh, object model...right...wonder how many clones?"

Ben · 20th May 2005, 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Dego

Eh? 45 past what hour?

any

//unless someone changed the setting.
would be brilliant to see things move more dynamically with whats happening around them.

Firehed · 20th May 2005, 21:21

Heh yeah, the title sticks for a little while, just wait some time and it'll show up in the user CP.

Yeah, this holds a lot of possibilities.

opus13 · 20th May 2005, 21:48

damn. all my slots are full...

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20th May 2005, 14:14	#2
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Thanks! I have a few questions about this. The PPU in my opinion is a great idea (though with all this bussing back and forth, I'm honestly worried about the bridge chips). But Wil, you state in the article that you don't know how many developers are going to come on board to support extra technology that costs $249...Huh!? In this day and age the high-end gamers use chips that cost $800, video cards that cost $400 a piece, etc...all in the name of faster, more realistic gaming. If they bothered to program HDR, why wouldn't they program for this? Companies are a little slow to pick up on it because it is rather new to the world (its functional existance was only really broadcast about 3-4 months ago, if that). I see havoc doing a patch of their physics engine in some of their already released games for this (as well as others) once they really get to know the technology. Either that, or it will be overtaken by Novodex, which can already support SMP technology. Also, it's more than a rumor that Unreal3 is alread on board with this technology, it's broadcast on the PPU maker's website. So they're getting some funding for this little 'project' from Epic and a couple other companies (including Secret Level and Sony)...they're also designing a slightly scaled down version of the Physx chip for the PS3. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo Last edited by Da Dego; 20th May 2005 at 14:20.

20th May 2005, 15:51	#3
LoneArchon Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Waldorf,MD Posts: 422	Looking at the sample card it seems to have both PCI and PCI-E interfaces on the card. Also how much power with this card consume. By the look of it with the molex connector quite a bit. We may need the 1Kw power supply soon __________________ .:NEED MORE ENERGY:. A64 x2 4800+/eVGA Geforce 8800gtx with dangerden Water Block/2GB Corsair 3200/250gb Western Digital/Asus A8N32-Sli Deluxe/24" Acer LCD

20th May 2005, 15:54	#4
DeathAwaitsU I'm Back :D Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Blackpool, UK Posts: 1,747	$249 I'm sorry but are your havin a fuin laugh there, no way would i pay that for it, also i won't even be able to buy it for my system in 6 months!! I mean come on, who the hell releases somethin only on a standard thats almost dead . Death __________________ THREEYOURMIND Owner {1Br}** Clan leader

20th May 2005, 16:02	#5
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Death, They're actually both PCI and PCI-E. So don't worry about that. Seriously, though. How much will you pay for your next GFX card? Because this will rival that in its change to your gaming. We're talking FULLY DEFORMABLE terrain here. Instead of 20-some objects moveable on screen, it will be in the thousands. Instead of graphical bullet holes, there will be genuine holes in objects that can be seen through, widened...or the whole wall can just be blown apart, in chunks that will get left on the floor. Rockets will finally do what they're supposed to. To me, this is a whole new step. Ragdoll is great, but we're limited by the CPU process as to how many things can be involved. We can push a barrel, knock it around...but by the time you have a few objects on the screen that can be moved, you have to nail down all the other ones. That is now changing, and drastically. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

20th May 2005, 16:48	#8
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Bah, we're talkin a lot prettier than that, Kevo... __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

20th May 2005, 17:04	#9
Brew Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Puyallup, WA, USA Posts: 182	I think the physics chip will have a lot to offer in a while when there are games to fully support it. Not sure about the $249 price tag though... And manufacturers would be fully stupid not to release this on PCI-E as PCI is now technically "legacy" __________________ Get Overhauled

20th May 2005, 17:14	#10
Isuo Supermodder Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Belgium - Finland Posts: 430	Sounds too good to be true. I'm just concerned about the effect to multiplayer games. Slower servers? No multiplayer at all? __________________ \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|

20th May 2005, 17:42	#11
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Hmmmm...now THAT's an interesting point. A LOT more objects to track over servers. But still, I doubt it would be too much a problem. __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

20th May 2005, 19:35	#13
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Woooo!!! No, I missed that. 1Gbps!? The UK ain't the only place dreamin' of that. My whole apartment is rigged at gigabit ethernet...those speeds would be phenomenal coming from the internet... Oh, and YAAAAY!!!! POST 750!!!! And it wasn't spent arguing over Windows piracy!!! Now how the bloody 'ell am I supposed to change this stupid title by my avatar? __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

20th May 2005, 20:31	#14
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	"Interestingly, the unit will be a PCI card, not PCI-Express. According to X-Bit Labs, Asus will be the primary manufacturing partner." The hell are you talking about... look at the top-right of the card! Anyways, I'll have to see what amazing things the card can do before I drop $250 on one. Sounds very promising, but we'll see. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

20th May 2005, 20:33	#15
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	I heard they'll be releasing both models... Firehed, how the 'ell do I change this title? __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

20th May 2005, 20:49	#17
Da Dego Brett Thomas Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cleveland, OH USA Posts: 3,906	Eh? 45 past what hour? Yeah, I'm pretty psyched about these things. Part of the 'plastic' appearance in games to me is that so few of the objects we see actually move. It's like "oh, there's a table with stuff on it!" and then you bump the table, and maybe it moves, but the stuff on it doesn't...and then it's "Oh, object model...right...wonder how many clones?" __________________ "Frankly that seems overkill. iluvtrees2 arguing with spec is the intellectual equivalent of a bunny rabbit taking on a pissed-off lion." - Nexxo

20th May 2005, 21:21	#19
Firehed Why not? I own a domain to match. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: An hour north of Boston Posts: 12,576	Heh yeah, the title sticks for a little while, just wait some time and it'll show up in the user CP. Yeah, this holds a lot of possibilities. __________________ hire me @ eric-stern.com - web developer and php ninja pics @ my smugmug :: Twitter @firehed :: blog @ firehed.net 40D\|580EXII\|285HV\|AB800\|70-200f/4LIS\|17-50f/2.8\|150f/2.8Macro\|50f/1.8 MacPro @ 8x2.8GHz, 10GB FBDDR2, 3TB HD :: MBP @ 2x2.2GHz, 4GB DDR2, 320GB HD

20th May 2005, 21:48	#20
opus13 Minimodder Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: colorado Posts: 27	damn. all my slots are full...