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Education Knots and nautical miles Why?

Discussion in 'General' started by Kronos, 27 Jan 2016.

  1. Kronos

    Kronos Multimodder

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    Bit on the news about the Pacific Ocean rowers and it was all about knots and nautical miles and I thought why do we have these measurement which most of us cannot relate to. We know what a mile is and what a metre is. Personally I cannot imagine a kilometre but I have never really needed to use that measurement. Though I do note with some amusement that the BBC seems to talk in kilometres when as far as I know here in the UK road distance is invariable measured in miles. But I can sort of get my head around kilometres.

    But knots and nautical miles make n osense. I know what they are as I have just Googled both but I do not know why we went this route in the first place.
    Keep it simple, if possible, please as I am not getting any younger.
     
  2. edzieba

    edzieba Virtual Realist

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    Legacy. Knots were used as a speed measurements at sea long before codified unit systems, so still get used because changing would be a huge pain in the arse. The Nautical Mile is still useful because it's (ostensibly) 1 Minute of Arc around the Earth's circumference, which makes converting between coordinates on a map and linear distances a lot easier.
    Historically, 'Mile' has referred to such a bizarre plethora of different distances that is you're looking at data more than a couple of hundred years old you need to do some digging to figure out which mile is actually being used!
    Personally, I know how long a meter and kilometer are, and have no intuitive idea how long a mile or x00 feet is. Finally finishing metrication across the UK would be a fantastic improvement, but it seems that will have to wait for all the stick-in-de-mud politicians to die off before it can happen.
     
  3. asura

    asura jack of all trades

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    The only problem with that, is that stick-in-the-mud politicians tend to breed more stick-in-the-mud politicians.
     
  4. phuzz

    phuzz This is a title

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    If you look there are some road signs in the UK that are in meters. For example the ones leading up to a junction on the motorway.
    The height sign on bridges shows the height in meters first as well now.
     
  5. Big_malc

    Big_malc Minimodder

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  6. Xir

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    Tradition explained it all.

    I can't get my head round all these number systems not based on 10.
     
  7. BentAnat

    BentAnat Software Dev

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    I agree with this sensible human being. :D
     
  8. TheBlackSwordsMan

    TheBlackSwordsMan Over the Hills and Far Away

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    forget about nautical miles and let's talk about pints & gallons.
     
  9. Big_malc

    Big_malc Minimodder

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    imperial or U.S :p
     
  10. Cthippo

    Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag

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    exactly :rolleyes:
     
  11. Big_malc

    Big_malc Minimodder

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    there is only Imperial it came first :p
     
  12. Guinevere

    Guinevere Mega Mom

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    I adapted my brain to kilometres, but only when traveling at a certain speed. Above a given threshold then it's miles all the way?

    Explain? Okay, I will.

    OS Maps are arranged out with nice little 1km grid lines, so when planning a walk/run/cycle it's nice and easy to use kilometres as that's what the maps use. So if I'm not in a car, then I think in kilometres.

    But when in a car, traveling at 70MPH and I have 140 miles to go...

    ...Then I know I'm on a road with too many speed cameras. 70MPH indeed!
     
  13. kingred

    kingred Surfacing sucks!

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    Nautical miles and Knots are still prevalent due to it matching up to the latitude and longitudinal minutes, hours and makes plotting navigation easier.
     
  14. lilgoth89

    lilgoth89 Captin Calliope

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    its much the same in quite a few things tbh

    atmospheric Height is usually measured in feet ( aircraft cruising altitude, building / mountain heights ) and speed is Knots / MPH usually

    and just to confuse people runways are measured in meters XD

    you also have weight of aircraft measured in KG, but thrust of engines in pounds
     
  15. Xir

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    *Hanna Reitsch Voice* I gave gasoline...and *Mac the Hen Voice* Moarrr thrrrrrust!*
     
  16. The_Crapman

    The_Crapman World's worst stuntman. Lover of bit-tech

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    The unit knots comes from how they used to calculated the speed in ye olden days. They would throw a large bouy overboard with a rope attached which had knots tied into it a foot (or possibly yard) apart, then they would count how many knots would pass through their hands in a minute to get their speed.
     
  17. Kronos

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    A ripe what:D

    Whereas I knew pretty much how it was calculated I was wondering why. Though if you think about it calculating mph on water would be tricky in those days.
     
  18. Measter

    Measter What's a Dremel?

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    That would be the log. The line was 100 fathoms long (600 feet, 183 metres), with knots every 47 feet 4 inches with a 28-second glass, or 50 feet 9 inches with a 30-second glass.

    The speed read from this would be recorded in the log-book. Hence the name "log-book".
     
  19. fix-the-spade

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    That depends, engines made by the Americans give their quoted thrust in pounds, everyone else quotes rated thrust in KiloNewtons.
     
  20. phuzz

    phuzz This is a title

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    I studied science at university so if I have to do any calculations I tend to convert everything into SI units and go from there.
     

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