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how good are old servers for folding??

Discussion in 'bit-tech Folding Team' started by steveneedle, 17 Apr 2013.

  1. steveneedle

    steveneedle Minimodder

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    hi guys I been looking to up my ppd and have found lots of older servers for sale...but how good are they for ppd compared to how much elec they use...
    for example
    Fujitsu Siemens Celsius R630 2x3.6 xeon 4gb ram
    Dell PowerEdge 2800 Server 2x 3.0 xeon 4gb ram
    HP ProLiant ML350 G5 (470064100) Dual Core 1.8GHz Intel Xeon Server 4gb ram

    how wud these compare to say a basic i3 with a say 250/260gtx folding?
     
  2. kirk46

    kirk46 Cheesecake Nom Nom

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    I have an old hp server folding it has 2 L5420 @ 2.5ghz it pulls about 18-20k ppd

    It will be up for sale after the chimp challenge has finished if your interested


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  3. steveneedle

    steveneedle Minimodder

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    what sort of prices will you be thinking of
     
  4. TaRkA DaHl

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    If you want maximum PPD, you need to get something with 16 cores or more so you can bigadv folding. If you want to save electricity, avoid GPU folding. This obviously may change at any time.

    One of the best little rigs you could build would be with a 2600k OC to 4.5Ghz sitting in an mATX board with 4Gb of memory overclocked to 2133mhz ish. If going second hand and you have a spare case/PSU it would cost £250 ish and put out around 30k PPD whilst drawing 150W at the wall.

    The old Xeon servers you listed will put out similar PPD, but draw 3 times as much power. Cost would be quite a lot less, but you would suffer with the electricity bill.

    As a general start, what is your budget for buying components? And would this be a dedicated folder, or multi use machine?
     
  5. steveneedle

    steveneedle Minimodder

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    would be for folding 24/7
    at the moment im using my pc an gpu ...but don't like doing it 24/7...
    looking to do it as cheaply as possible really
    would I really get about 30kppd from those servers??
     
  6. kirk46

    kirk46 Cheesecake Nom Nom

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    I'd be looking at £180 inc post

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  7. TaRkA DaHl

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    Its old tech, so I would expect them to get around that whilst also heating your house and burning electricity.

    Keep an eye out for cheap second hand stuff, the newer the tech the better as a general rule, and the more cores the better.
     
  8. Votick

    Votick My CPU's hot but my core runs cold.

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    That's why you put them in a nice conditioned data-center. :)
    I'm sharing some rack space with a mate who is going to be folding on a dual Quad 3ghz server. Should keep nice and cold and no worries on power.
     
  9. steveneedle

    steveneedle Minimodder

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    how much elec do you think they will use then?
    I thought I saw one only had a 400w power supply
     
  10. steveneedle

    steveneedle Minimodder

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    any guesses on how many ppd id get from one of these
    IBM ESERVER X SERIES 335 8676-M1X SERVER 2 x XEON 3.06GHZ, 4GB RAM
    and I think both xeons are ht
     
  11. steveneedle

    steveneedle Minimodder

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    well I bit the bullet and got on of these
    IBM ESERVER X SERIES 335 8676-M1X SERVER 2 x XEON 3.06GHZ, 4GB RAM
    this is gonna be a trial thing..something to play with..
    hopefully im going to try Ubuntu desktop on it..another new thing for me....
    since this will be folding 24/7....will 4gb memory be enough or should I have the max 8gb in there??
     
  12. Votick

    Votick My CPU's hot but my core runs cold.

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    I don't think ram makes any difference tbh.
     
  13. steveneedle

    steveneedle Minimodder

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    ok that's cool
    ill wait till it turns up tom hopefully...
    then try and setup Ubuntu on it...
    and go from there
     
  14. Scorpuk

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    Installing ubuntu shoudl be pretty straight forward. Probably best to install from a USB stick. Ubuntu web site gives details on how to do this.


    Godo luck. :thumb:
     
  15. steveneedle

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    thanks...ill let you know how it goes
     
  16. kirk46

    kirk46 Cheesecake Nom Nom

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    ram amount doesnt make any different but speed does and also having all the slots populated does
     
  17. coolamasta

    coolamasta Folding@Home CC Captain 2010/11/12

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    I have folded on a LOT of different make/model servers so firstly make sure its at least the Core 2 Quad family of Xeons (socket 771), the P4 family which will be the ones generally listed as 3.0 and 3.2ghz Xeons will EAT electricity, heat like a blast furnace and only give you approx 4-6000k :(

    Even the Socket 771 Xeons are not all that any more, I borrowed a HP DL580 with 4 x quad core Xeons @ 2.4ghz each for the Chimps Challenge, I thought 16 real cores, no hyper-threading should come in OK, but no it was just too slow for bigadv, TPF was outside the minimum return time so all I could do was let it crunch A3 cores which is making it produce around 40k PPD :waah:
     
  18. steveneedle

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    but the power supply is only 350w
     

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