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Old 23rd Nov 2011, 17:55   #81
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I give up, I fail to see how people waiting to join the server is not on-topic, I'm not here to pull your backside in line with regards to the mini-modding, I wanted to see how this problem of not having enough slots could best be fixed.

But it appears any out of the box suggestion gets met with a one liner or backlash.
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Old 23rd Nov 2011, 18:37   #82
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The solution to the server being full and having to wait for a slot if simple, as Wyx stated, it just requires patience.

What is not helpful is for someone to demand a slot, and when one is not available demand more slots to be added and if that, like in this current situation, cannot be done then basically stick 2 fingers up and say lets piss off and do our own thing.

The setup is what it is, use it, enjoy it. This is why the whole donation thing often falls on its arse as you get some people that have donated making certain demands that often cant be met.

The comments made by Wyx about mentioning it in the server forum were fair enough, it is simply rude to advertise or attempt to form a split on a communities own turf. In my mind he was nipping in the bud the possibilty of any further similar comments being made in the game server forum.

I hope this satifies your desire for a mod to comment.
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I wanted to see how this problem of not having enough slots could best be fixed.
fair enough. you and me both. 64 players would be great given how popular the server currently is.

but i find it hard to swallow the use of wording such as "scrap". Fu couldn't have put it better, he found the word i was looking for. (appreciate)

the only out of box suggestion that gets dismissed is donating towards a 64 player server because i don't think that is feasible considering Dennis isn't paying MPUK for the server. and a community donation run server is certainly not out of the question, no one is preventing it from happening, just need one determined individual to fork out the initial sum.
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That's just it, when this server is full, do you really think people WAIT for HALF AN HOUR to join it?

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and a community donation run server is certainly not out of the question, no one is preventing it from happening, just need one determined individual to fork out the initial sum.
Oh I see how it is, so what I said is not ok, and what wyx says here IS? Excuse me? I thought I just said the same thing? Sigh.
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you said scrap the current CPC server, which sounds rather bad considering how much effort Rogan, and CPC staff have put in to get us one.
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As Rogan has stated previously the 64 man server just isn't possible at this present moment due to the issues multiplay is having with 64 man servers and instability (iirc). Tbh I think we should be thankful for the 32 man server as it is free and gives us a chance to play with other people from this forum, which ultimately is where a lot of the enjoyment comes from.

Waiting a little bit isn't the end of the world because we can just play on a different server until a slot frees up on the CPC one - there are hundreds of servers out there, so being on a different one until it's feasible to hop onto the Bit-tech one is no problem.

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you said scrap the current CPC server, which sounds rather bad considering how much effort Rogan, and CPC staff have put in to get us one.
I said that because whenever anybody mentions turning the current server into a 64 man, it's just we can't do it, and stopping at the first obstacle. Surely it can't be THAT hard.
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I said that because whenever anybody mentions turning the current server into a 64 man, it's just we can't do it, and stopping at the first obstacle. Surely it can't be THAT hard.

It is THAT hard. If it becomes a possibility in the future, then I am sure everything that can be done to make it happen will. In the meantime just enjoy the current 32 player setup, everyone else seems to understand this. If you like the server and the people that play there, then the rare occasions you have to wait for a slot is worth it. Hop onto another server or go make a cup of tea whilst you wait.

I am getting the impression you could start a fight in an empty room

By all means use the forum to put ideas and suggestions forwards, but when faced with answers that dont meet with the ones you want to hear, accept that the setup is what it is for the time being and enjoy that, dont stick two fingers up at it and the people that have put it in place. If you feel you are capable of doing a better job then by all means go for it, good luck, but please dont use this game server section of the forum to do it.
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It is THAT hard. If it becomes a possibility in the future, then I am sure everything that can be done to make it happen will. In the meantime just enjoy the current 32 player setup, everyone else seems to understand this. If you like the server and the people that play there, then the rare occasions you have to wait for a slot is worth it. Hop onto another server or go make a cup of tea whilst you wait.

I am getting the impression you could start a fight in an empty room

By all means use the forum to put ideas and suggestions forwards, but when faced with answers that dont meet with the ones you want to hear, accept that the setup is what it is for the time being and enjoy that, dont stick two fingers up at it and the people that have put it in place. If you feel you are capable of doing a better job then by all means go for it, good luck, but please dont use this game server section of the forum to do it.
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to everyone on the server, JOIN THROUGH FRIENDS MUCH? So much for join through the server. From now on, f*** join through the server, I refuse to be what seems to be the only one who doesn't team stack. Coincidence the entire group of mumble is on one side? LOL. Anyway, good news is you won't have me around for two months. Peace.
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Didn't get chance to play tonight cause of Xmas lights being turned on so was busy at the pub



Even with a 64 man server people will still have to wait as most servers are always full to Max once you get ore than 20 players
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The good news is, that the que system is now back. So it makes waiting for a slot easier.
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will be adding insane balancer to the server tonight. hopefully should make sure every game is as balanced as possible. (but won't fix if high scoring players leave, it happens)

note the bold parts. especially the part where end game score board will be post-balance. don't worry, stats are uploaded immediately after round finish, you still won that round.

everyone is equal, so randomers, clans or regulars will all get balanced. this is a public server that treats everyone equal.

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Insane Balancer v0.0.0.4 (2 components):

1. Live Balancer: This checks for even teams every 15 seconds and will move the last player who joined.

pros:
  • It ensures we have even teams which the Dice autobalancer doesnt seem to be very efficient at doing
  • It will only move the last player who joined and is set to not move clanmates or break up squads unless it has no choice.
    we can add players and clans to a whitelist -won't be using whitelist, everyone's equal
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  • If you join on your buddy and the teams become uneven then you will be swapped over almost as soon as you join. Not ideal, but better than having uneven teams. You can get around this by joining with your clantag.
  • If someone on the other team crashes and your team then has 2 more players it will swap the last person on your team who joined even if he has been playing since the beginning of the round. Again, the clan-tag should stop this happening for us at least.
2. Round balancer:
This will completely re-shuffle the teams to put clan-mates together and then it will shuffle the rest of the players based on their overall battlelog score per minute.

pros:
  • It will create evenly balanced games and you should have less complaints from people who would otherwise end up on a weaker team
  • Clanmates will be moved into the same team (see cons below) - Can turn this off
  • Balancing by clans can be turned off so it will only rely on battlelog stats - we get better balanced games then but at the cost of splitting clans between teams.
  • Clanmates will automatically be put into squads together - Can turn this off
  • It is set to round-balance at the end of 2 rounds of rush so you dont end up defending twice - Can be set to balance after x number of rounds
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  • Since Dice dont allow the server to pause or go into a wait-state then the players have to be shuffled once the round ends rather than at the start of the round. At the moment this is moving people before the scoreboard shows up which might **** people off who think that their stats have been affected - this doesnt happen, the stats are sent to Battlelog immediately after the round ends so your win/loss count is not affected even if the scorebaord shows you on the wrong team.
  • Keeping all clanmates on the one side is probably a bit unfair to the others on TS but turning it off is going to annoy people too.
  • The round balancer wont work if the server is full as there is no "neutral" team in BF3 so it cant shuffle unless someone gets kicked. The plugin author is going to try and fix this by kicking idle players after the round ends..
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will be adding insane balancer to the server tonight. hopefully should make sure every game is as balanced as possible. (but won't fix if high scoring players leave, it happens)

note the bold parts. especially the part where end game score board will be post-balance. don't worry, stats are uploaded immediately after round finish, you still won that round.

everyone is equal, so randomers, clans or regulars will all get balanced. this is a public server that treats everyone equal.

So this will also separate squads then i take it?
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Wait what..so this balancer, puts people with the cpc tag on the one side? So it's a team stacker first balancer second? I probably haven't understood, but anyway.
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Wait what..so this balancer, puts people with the cpc tag on the one side? So it's a team stacker first balancer second? I probably haven't understood, but anyway.
The bold bit reads that there is no whitelist, so the CPC players would be scrambled along with everyone else.

After this has happened, I assume players with the same clan tag on the same side are then placed in the same squad, but I may be wrong about the squad ordering.
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So this will also separate squads then i take it?
it should. didn't mention it, but to have it work correctly, it probably will.

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Wait what..so this balancer, puts people with the cpc tag on the one side? So it's a team stacker first balancer second? I probably haven't understood, but anyway.
there is an option to do this, but won't be enabled.

i think after balancing, people will have to manually find squads. or it will randomly put people into squads. not sure until we've had a test.
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