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Old 24th Mar 2017, 12:23   #61
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What strikes me as odd is that if this happened some... idk... 17 years ago, before 9/11, it would be a simple burp in the news: "madman runs over people and stabs a policeman". And then it would fade away the very next day.
Now? "Terrorist slaughters innocents in the UK and attacks parliament, let us show you the reconstruction during the next week or two, call in 'experts' and use this as lumber in the racist/xenophobic bonfire."

AFAIK knife attacks are something common in the UK? Why is this event something so shocking?
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What strikes me as odd is that if this happened some... idk... 17 years ago, before 9/11, it would be a simple burp in the news: "madman runs over people and stabs a policeman". And then it would fade away the very next day.
Now? "Terrorist slaughters innocents in the UK and attacks parliament, let us show you the reconstruction during the next week or two, call in 'experts' and use this as lumber in the racist/xenophobic bonfire."

AFAIK knife attacks are something common in the UK? Why is this event something so shocking?
Kids are murdering each other on a daily basis in London and it doesn't even make the regional news. My mother asked me to install a Freesat box for her a few years ago because she said the news down here was "boring, nothing ever happens". So I got her a Freesat box so she can keep up on all of the latest London stuff, including all of the stabbings etc.

From what you guys were saying about being desensitised to it? yeah, I guess I am from the same stable. Grew up in Brixton with all of the stuff going on from mad *******s with nail bombs to the IRA. Spent my childhood keeping my eyes peeled for suspect baggage etc. Seen people shot and stabbed outside night clubs etc. It does kinda knock it out of you over the years..
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That's kind of my default position.
Technically though its not true , the community care act was first suggested by the previous labour government to shut down the asylums. The disappointing part, which is not much talked about , of that same Act, was the changes made to make a `more business like` NHS , forcing competition and the internal market. Privatisation by the back door.

And Uni fee`s? this is the shocking part - Labour introduced them in 1998 with the Teaching and Higher education Act , they then raised then in 2003 with the Higher Education Act to 3000, but
in 2009 - Lord Browne was commissioned by Labour, to report on the sustainability of tax payer supported higher education and the feasibility of raising the fee to 9000. Want to be gobsmacked? Keith Joseph suggested Uni fee`s way back in 1984 , but had to drop that part of his education bill to gain support!

Might have just written an essay about Development of Social Welfare in the 21st Century :P

So whilst Thatcher has a lot to answer for (although ofc like minded Mp`s would disagree) , Blair simply carrier on Thatcherism
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What strikes me as odd is that if this happened some... idk... 17 years ago, before 9/11, it would be a simple burp in the news: "madman runs over people and stabs a policeman". And then it would fade away the very next day.
Indeed, the reporting style has completely changed, compare to how the media talked about such issues back in 1997 for example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2519581.stm
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All these cuts to mental health services are really starting to show.
So being racist etc is frowned upon but it's perfectly PC to take the piss out of the mentally ill?

I don't get it. For years and years coloured people fought for equal rights and acceptance. Gays spent decades doing the same, yet the focus of poking fun at people now seems to be the mentally ill, that's OK.

It isn't. At all. Find something else to take the piss out of would you?

I can tell you these cuts to the mental health service are nothing to joke about either. I'm 42 years old and just before Christmas I attempted to take my own life for the first time ever it's that bad. Up until now I had always had some one to talk to, some one to confide in. That's now been taken from me and I see some one every two months if I am lucky. Trust me, it's nothing to make fun of.

You've sort of lost your own argument too. You chastise and ban this pillock for being a bigot then resort to the same behaviour yourself.
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It only took years and years

I like it that George did it too - someone once called him Hitler.
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So being racist etc is frowned upon but it's perfectly PC to take the piss out of the mentally ill?
I don't get it. For years and years coloured people fought for equal rights and acceptance. Gays spent decades doing the same, yet the focus of poking fun at people now seems to be the mentally ill, that's OK.

It isn't. At all. Find something else to take the piss out of would you?
Apologises but what part of what i said is taking the piss?

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I can tell you these cuts to the mental health service are nothing to joke about either. I'm 42 years old and just before Christmas I attempted to take my own life for the first time ever it's that bad. Up until now I had always had some one to talk to, some one to confide in. That's now been taken from me and I see some one every two months if I am lucky. Trust me, it's nothing to make fun of.
I wasn't making fun of it, i was responding to this post RB made that i think it's safe to say was rather incoherent and possibly demonstrated that (s)he needs professional help that obviously isn't available.

I know cuts to mental health services are nothing to laugh at and i can only apologise if what i said came across as me making light of it, that wasn't my intention, my intention was to highlight how cuts to mental health services have real world effects on peoples well-being, especially at times of stress like the attack at Westminster that healthy people are better equipped to cope with.
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I can't say I'm surprised or sorry to see RB go. His racist nonsense, whether deliberate or not, was a PITA in threads like this.

That said, I hope he's OK and if he does have any real issues, I hope he manages to sort himself out.

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What strikes me as odd is that if this happened some... idk... 17 years ago, before 9/11, it would be a simple burp in the news: "madman runs over people and stabs a policeman". And then it would fade away the very next day.
Now? "Terrorist slaughters innocents in the UK and attacks parliament, let us show you the reconstruction during the next week or two, call in 'experts' and use this as lumber in the racist/xenophobic bonfire."

AFAIK knife attacks are something common in the UK? Why is this event something so shocking?
Moreover, on Monday a White Supremacist stabbed a black man to death in New York. His aim was to kill as many black people as he could.

Did we hear about it here? No. Did President Trump make a statement about it? No. A tweet perhaps? No. Did anyone write a diatribe about how White extremism is out of control and a threat to society? No. Did anyone lament how White supremacists refusing to integrate with mainstream society is a threat to us all? Nope.
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In fairness, he hasn't said much about the London attacks either.

Seems like his spin doctors have finally managed to reign back his twitter use.
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Imagine how the ordinary Amercan folk who voted for him must feel now. Not the fanatics or loons but the ordinary, fairly neutral folk who either didn't really think he'd win but voted for him as some kind of protest, or thought they'd "give him a chance".

So many parallels with Brexit.

Anyway, I digress. This isn't about Donald.
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