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Old 27th Mar 2017, 15:34   #121
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Because how would you go about allowing access to one person's encrypted messages?

Key escrow means keeping a copy of the decryption key for each person, that would work but what happens when those copies are made public?

Inserting a backdoor would also work but what happens when some enterprising hacker discovers that backdoor?
That wouldn't even be the bottom of the rabbit hole, because even if you could give law enforcement access to encrypted messages without undermining encryption in general (which I still maintain you can't) then you would also have to stop people from switching to a different messaging app (otherwise you just end up in a never ending game of whac-a-mole).

The only way the UK government could achieve that would be to disable all internet access and put firing squads along the border. Sounds familiar? North Korea already does those two things.
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Old 27th Mar 2017, 15:59   #122
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It's a shame every thread like this descends into a "privacy good, government bad" circle-jerk. I guess I'm just a little too long in the tooth for it now.
It's not about privacy it's about security.

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Umm... *raises hand* I am.

The things that make it "safe" for terrorists to use also make it safe for me to use, so I am most definitely all for it.
You're not a terrorist though, at least i don't think you are.

@Anfield, Indeed, apparently ISIS already has it's own encrypted chat app, heck even i could make a simple VB app that encrypted my messages and that's saying something.
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If you poke holes into encryption then what is there to prevent terrorists from getting intel on their target and stealing from your bank account? Also, do you think terrorists will use unsave encryption?
If you want a good example of the effects of poking holes in security then look at the TSA locks and how that allows you to be robbed by anyone with the master key, which no one can get access... and someone leaked them online.

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Old 27th Apr 2017, 22:06   #124
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Another close one today by the looks of it.

Thankfully the security and intelligence services had their eyes on this one, for some time it seems, and he was nabbed as he crossed the road in Whitehall with what looks like a bag full of knives.

Good job.
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It annoys the crap out of me that it's being reported as Terrorism, with a capital T, rather than just a loony with a bag of kitchen utensils.
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We really need to start thinking about banning knives.
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It annoys the crap out of me that it's being reported as Terrorism, with a capital T, rather than just a loony with a bag of kitchen utensils.
News of tomorrow:

"Random dude drops plate in kitchen, arrested for terror attack against his kitchen floor".
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In related news it seems the SS have managed, somehow, to read Khalid Masood's last WhatsApp message.
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the 52-year-old Muslim convert had declared that he was waging jihad in revenge against Western military action in Muslim countries in the Middle East.

The person who received the message has been extensively questioned, but freed after the police and MI5 concluded that he was not part of a plot and had no prior knowledge of what was unfolding on 22 March.
Judging be the limited information the SS are willing to divulge, for obvious reasons, it seems they gained access to the phone itself.
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In related news it seems the SS have managed, somehow, to read Khalid Masood's last WhatsApp message.


Judging be the limited information the SS are willing to divulge, for obvious reasons, it seems they gained access to the phone itself.
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Details of the method used cannot be disclosed for security reasons, but sources said they now have the technical expertise to repeat the process in future.

It was made possible because Masood’s mobile telephone was recovered after he was shot dead.
Translation: They found a way to bypass the unlock code, probably using some sort of unpatched exploit. To me suggests either an older iPhone or one of a number of Android phones which wasn't running a patched OS (or was using an OS butchered by the manufacturer/carrier).

Sounds like poor OpSec on Masood's part. Not that he gives a crap; he wasn't part of a cell so probably didn't have to hide the identity of his accomplices (since there weren't any), and you probably don't give a crap what's on your phone when the thing you're about to do can very likely make you dead.
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We really need to start thinking about banning knives.
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It annoys the crap out of me that it's being reported as Terrorism, with a capital T, rather than just a loony with a bag of kitchen utensils.
It's a tricky one because many folk who "declare" the motivation behind their act as political or whatever are as mad as cheese.

Take Adrian ("Masood") for example.

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We really need to start thinking about banning knives.
It's already illegal to poke people with them, or even carry most types around in public. Ridiculous, huh? "Health and safety gone mad".
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It's a tricky one because many folk who "declare" the motivation behind their act as political or whatever are as mad as cheese.

Take Adrian ("Masood") for example.
It's not tricky at all, Terrorism is meant to achieve a political goal. Knife attacks don't achieve anything other than an egotistical declaration of "Look at how invested I am". Validating it as terrorism probably only encourages more lunatics to stab random people. Semtex achieves political goals, knives do not.
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Translation: They found a way to bypass the unlock code, probably using some sort of unpatched exploit.
They probably hired the same dodgy company in Israel who helped the FBI to unlock a phone after Apple had refused to give them a backdoor to all their products.
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It's not tricky at all, Terrorism is meant to achieve a political goal. Knife attacks don't achieve anything other than an egotistical declaration of "Look at how invested I am". Validating it as terrorism probably only encourages more lunatics to stab random people. Semtex achieves political goals, knives do not.
It's not quite that simple. I know what you're saying but the type of weapon used is irrelevant.

I'm sure many terrorists are egotistical though (like many are loons), whatever methods they choose to dish it out.
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It's not quite that simple. I know what you're saying but the type of weapon used is irrelevant.

I'm sure many terrorists are egotistical though (like many are loons), whatever methods they choose to dish it out.
It isn't merely intent; It's the political goal that's key. No one is going to change their behaviour or political leanings over weapons no deadlier than those used in bar fights.
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It isn't merely intent; It's the political goal that's key. No one is going to change their behaviour or political leanings over weapons no deadlier than those used in bar fights.
Why not? Dead is dead however it's dealt.
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Efficacy. It's just not that much of a threat to inspire societal or political change. There's no forward-planning, no strategy. It's a weapon of impulse.
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