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Old 21st Apr 2017, 13:02   #101
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So will it be with this election everyone and anyone will be interviewed because luckily the rest of the world stops as far as the BBC is concerned.
True, they were interviewing people in Dolgellau just because May had happened to go walking there. I spent a bit of time there when I was younger, can't say any TV crews were asking back then if it was a particularly thought provoking, pondersome place.

Mind you, after having 2+ years in NZ where the only news you get is about rugby, milk prices, and earthquakes (in that order) in between weather forecasts it feels good to feel a part of the world again even if 24 hour news is 23 and a half hours guff and filler.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 16:53   #102
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So is anyone else looking forward to the elections about as much as they would be the prospect of contracting a bad case of the clap?
Actually it's a bit like watching two really drunk pissheads get into a fight in front of the pub. You kind of know how the fight is going to end, but you can't help but stare in morbid fascination and occasionally there is an unexpected lucky punch leading to a surprising outcome.

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But this is the way the BBC News handles stories these days. The latest terrorist incident in London the BBC actually broadcast an interview with a guy did nothing but hear the sirens, was nowhere near the incident but the BBC thought his input pertinent. So will it be with this election everyone and anyone will be interviewed because luckily the rest of the world stops as far as the BBC is concerned.
Well, this is what you get with the current trend for 24-hour news channels: you have to fill the space, and you have to do it now. So you'll get news crews dispatched to places of maybe-news to fill air time with: "And this is a road near where it is speculated something happened that we do not have details about yet..."

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...and don't get me started on the BBC not making any effort to hide it's bias, blatantly anti Brexit, Trump and I suspect anyone other than the Tories.
Please let me know what good news I missed on Brexit and Trump.

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Still, it's not as bad as the Suicide Squad that is the French Presidential candidates, right?
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 11:12   #103
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I'm trying to think of any side that the BBC hasn't been accused of being accused of biased towards/against.

Reading BBC Have Your Say is my version of the Jerry Springer Show.
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I'm trying to think of any side that the BBC hasn't been accused of being accused of biased towards/against.

Reading BBC Have Your Say is my version of the Jerry Springer Show.
For claims of bias against, it's usually the side that holds the opposite view to that particular complainant.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ti-Labour.html

BBC anti corbyn^^

and notice the same `paper`

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...MCKINSTRY.html

BBC anti tory!
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I'm in the UK so I can vote. I'm going to vote Labour. The press will have you believe labour are in chaos but considering a Corbyn win for them would be a disaster no wonder they are pushing this narative, and any discontent within the party is coming from the corporatists. A win for Corbyn would show them there is power in the people rather than being Tory-lite. A corbyn win would give him the power to kick them out. This is not a right v left issue as much as it is a people vs corporation issue. the biug donors have run things for too long and Corbyn is a threat to that, yes he may not be perfect but it is a shift in the right direction.

Just like the press demonised Sanders who has gone on to show how great he would have been. The press in the UK will do the same to Corbyn, they are multinational corporations, they have a massive bias in this.

As for the BBC, well everyone says they are biased one way or the other but really they are just biased toward the establishment way of doing things. They sold out objectivity for neutrality a long time ago.
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There is a difference between bias toward a party or political leaning and the bias toward the status quo, which that report does not address.

It's like CNN. This side says this and that side says that. What are the facts? - You decide because we are not going to do the investigative journalism required to report such things or even call out obvious lies as lies and or challange the talking points which are obviously being followed.

There may be no or very limited bias in political coverage in regards left or right but there is a bias in favour of the establishments talking point and control of the narative. In order to not offend (in part to maintain access) there has been a shift toward neutrality over objectivity and it has destroyed journalism. Evidence exists - confront people with it no matter what side of the political spectrum they favour and hold their feet to the fire. The media is supposed to be the watchdog of the government, not the lapdog of their side depending on who controls their finances.
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There is a difference between bias toward a party or political leaning and the bias toward the status quo, which that report does not address.
I'm not sure what you mean by a bias toward the status quo as that report was carried out over 5 years and a change of government, doesn't that mean the status quo changed during that time?

Something that the report seems to address when they compared the airtime the incumbent governments received.

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It's like CNN. This side says this and that side says that. What are the facts? - You decide because we are not going to do the investigative journalism required to report such things or even call out obvious lies as lies and or challange the talking points which are obviously being followed.
The problem with facts is there pretty hard to nail down, even decades afterwards ,have you ever heard of the half life of facts?

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There may be no or very limited bias in political coverage in regards left or right but there is a bias in favour of the establishments talking point and control of the narative. In order to not offend (in part to maintain access) there has been a shift toward neutrality over objectivity and it has destroyed journalism. Evidence exists - confront people with it no matter what side of the political spectrum they favour and hold their feet to the fire. The media is supposed to be the watchdog of the government, not the lapdog of their side depending on who controls their finances.
Yea i tend to agree that there's a bias towards neutrality over objectivity but that's what happens when being neutral is written into the rules you have to abide by and people constantly threaten you because they say your not being neutral.

They can't say for instance if something is a bad or good even if +90% of people say it is because they have to stay neutral, that in itself is biased IMO as being neutral shouldn't mean all ideas get equal airtime.
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Journalistic ethics say a journalist should remain neutral and objective. Neutral is this sense means to not be biased toward a side but objective would mean being biased toward the facts. The first is happening, the second is not, at least not in the political realm in regards the causes and reasoning behind actions as opposed to the actions themselves.

Imagine if sports journalism was the same. Man Utd won 10-0 today against Barcalona who played their U15 youth team in the Champions leaue final. Nothing more to report here.

Take the current terror attack in France. No where in that reporting will you find it said that the USA almost ran out of bombs in 2015 due to the exessive bombing campaigns conducted in the middle east. No. What you will hear is we have to strike back. You will not hear about how much one bomb costs and the total cost of it all each day. You will not hear the alternative of maybe instead of dropping bombs build schools and hospitals - it's cheaper. Oh but ISIS will bomb those. Let them. And rebuild them. Again and again. The poopulation want schools and hospitals they will soon turn against ISIS and toward the west. But again no lets keep bombing and creating more terrorists as will kill civilians who y'know wont be given over o the narative ISIS offer at all will they. War and bombing is the status quo.

But then there is no money for hospitals, schools and pensions etc in the UK. A government says they want to give a pay rise to public sector workers. OMG How will you pay for it the papers cry. War in the Middle east - start up the national anthem the boys are going to war - get behind our brave soldiers etc. The narative is the status quo.

I am not talking about facts as in 90% of people say something because a fact that does not make. I am talking aout facts as in the where the evidence points. At the moment we have 'the right honourable gentlemen' talking heads and rarely are they challenged on what they say, the press is just a mouth piece for them. I mean, many journalists also write for Private Eye because the editors of the big papers won't publish the stories they write involving corruption or do investigative journaism into it on any real level. that's the status quo.

The status quo hasnt changed at all. Lobbiests still make millions, the banks still make billions, the corporations still make billions and the people still get screwed while the press report the scandal of the day. Hasn't mattered the glove on the hand.

It's not conspiracy it just the rich and powerful want to stay that way. I don't think there are people in smoke filled rooms planning a new world order but there are executives in boardrooms seeing lobbying as a good investment and politicians seeing a good pay off for playing ball when they retire and become a special advisor or lobbyist themselves. There is a reason none of the politicians are talking about those corporations which paid zero tax in recent years or even if this is just and fair, and its not because oh they would leave the UK if we did something because they wouldn't.
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The status quo hasnt changed at all. Lobbiests still make millions, the banks still make billions, the corporations still make billions and the people still get screwed while the press report the scandal of the day. Hasn't mattered the glove on the hand.
And there are precisely two solutions for an individual to deal with it:
1: Pretend the status quo is fine despite its obvious flaws and hope you don't become the next target before you die of old age.
2: Start a violent revolution.

And since option 1 is significantly easier nothing will ever change until the system collapses under its own weight.
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No need for violent revolution. Joining the movements going on and giving a couple of hours a month is a good start. Stop buying newspapers or going to their sites is another. The interent has been the death of cable news. The average age of a TV viewer is now very high as the young turn away to Netflix and youtube. When the advertisers start to understand this better TV is as good as dead as it is right now.
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I agree: no need for a revolution. Just get informed, and vote mindfully.

That's it; that's all. Vote mindfully. After all the UK just voted to leave the UK so it could "take back control" and hold its own politicians accountable for their actions? Then bloody well do it. But no, what people will do is vote for the same old politicians making the same old empty promises and telling the same old BS. And then they will complain that no matter what they do, nothing ever changes.
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I agree: no need for a revolution.
It would be pointless anyway as the problems will eventually cause a collapse of their own.
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Everything you describe isn't the status quo, it's the general consensus.

That doesn't mean it's right, it just means it's a general agreement of society that it's the right thing to do and when +90% of people think the same way it's sort of difficult to put forward an alternative and have people take it seriously.
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Everything you describe isn't the status quo, it's the general consensus.

That doesn't mean it's right, it just means it's a general agreement of society that it's the right thing to do and when +90% of people think the same way it's sort of difficult to put forward an alternative and have people take it seriously.
The status quo and those who craft it. It is the same responses being unquestioned even though they have been shown to not be working. It is blindly supported with little to no critical analysis of the effect. Why does ISIS exist? Because they hate the west blah blah, Islam is radical blahblah. Not the constant exploitation of the area, the constant destabilization of the region, the constant bombing of the region. The USA dropped an average of 3 bombs an hour in 2016. How would Europe and Europeans react a if the middle east was doing that in Europe? An how is all this war helping the average person? The normal response - maintaining national security. Not buying it. Not in the grander scheme of things. War makes people rich.

This narative isn't an accident, nor is its constant reinforcement. The consensus of the population is quite easily manipulated. For god sake people have been convinced Coldplay are a good band!
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Meanwhile, I'll just leave this here...
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 08:20   #120
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I can understand people wanting to vote Labour, but people wanting to vote for Corbyn should get you an express lift to the funny farm.
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