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Unicorn · 14th Jan 2013, 23:12

While we're on the subject of lighting, I don't suppose either of you two lighting designer gents have any experience with industrial (but kinda not, if you know what I mean...) lighting for work benches? As well as the garage, I need to redo the workshop lighting soon.

longweight · 14th Jan 2013, 23:13

You mean vapour proof fittings?

Unicorn · 14th Jan 2013, 23:41

I mean vapour proof, individually switchable and not crappy looking with a poor level of diffusion. Basically, I mean something that looks modern, bright and is more functional than the standard 5' single tube (undiffused) fittings that I have there at the moment. Yes to LED, yes to IP65 and absolutely yes if they are well diffused and lower energy than the 5' fluorescents - I can make them individually switchable if necessary, it's not hard to install a panel mounted toggle switch in each fitting.

Since I'm asking experts now instead of t'local electrical wholesaler down t'road, have either of you ever seen fluorescent fittings with a right angled body on them to fit into corners etc? Because I'm almost sure I have seen them, but cannot find them anywhere, online or from local wholesalers.

[edit]

Upon further inspection, those Toshibas look perfect if the right angle ones aren't available! Well played and thank you

longweight · 15th Jan 2013, 00:10

Something similar to these?

http://www.designplan.co.uk/product/Uni_cell

http://www.designplan.co.uk/product/Tuscan_II_LED

Unicorn · 15th Jan 2013, 00:32

Yes, exactly! Although those are designed for prison cells

Is there anything more "lab" oriented like that?

longweight · 15th Jan 2013, 00:34

Hmm maybe, I will have a think who else might do them.

Could you not mount a standard IP65 batten on some 45 degree mounts?

Unicorn · 15th Jan 2013, 00:36

I mocked it up a while ago, but unfortunately there's not a lot of space to do that, I just found these though, the angled version of which seems perfect.

modd1uk · 15th Jan 2013, 00:37

To save me making a new thread can anybody suggest some led floodlights with PIR ? Or is it better to buy a seperate pir and floodlight ?

Dont want to spend a fortune as I need 3, two for my house and one for the mothers.

longweight · 15th Jan 2013, 00:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unicorn

I mocked it up a while ago, but unfortunately there's not a lot of space to do that, I just found these though, the angled version of which seems perfect.

They are T8 so you could use LED tubes if you wanted to at a later date.

longweight · 15th Jan 2013, 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by modd1uk

To save me making a new thread can anybody suggest some led floodlights with PIR ? Or is it better to buy a seperate pir and floodlight ?

Dont want to spend a fortune as I need 3, two for my house and one for the mothers.

Saw these over in HK at the Light Fair and you can't really go wrong for the money!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Led-PIR-Fl...-/330778676154

Unicorn · 15th Jan 2013, 00:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by longweight

They are T8 so you could use LED tubes if you wanted to at a later date.

I would probably want to go with LEDs from the outset really. I'm aiming to not only brighten the place up, but reduce the energy usage as well. I think I'll go with the Toshiba fittings you suggested for the ceiling and an angled fitting along the bench. The only thing I see potentially wrong with the Sterilux Angled fittings is that they aren't IP rated. A vapour proof, chemical resistant 4' version of those would be the closest thing to perfect for my application - I might send you a photo later in the week to give you an idea of the area I'm hoping to illuminate. Can your company supply items from Designplan?

longweight · 15th Jan 2013, 00:57

I'm afraid not but most electrical wholesalers should be able to get hold of them for you.

Unicorn · 15th Jan 2013, 01:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unicorn

The only thing I see potentially wrong with the Sterilux Angled fittings is that they aren't IP rated.

I'm an idiot, they are IP55 fittings which would be enough for my purposes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by longweight

I'm afraid not but most electrical wholesalers should be able to get hold of them for you.

Cheers, your advice has been invaluable! I've been making enquiries about the new bench lighting for ages and came up against a brick wall every time. +rep for some very useful information and advice!

longweight · 15th Jan 2013, 10:26

No worries, if you need to find something a bit cheaper than the Toshiba then let me know.

One thing to watch out for is the colour temperature and CRI of the LED / fluorescent. The fluorescent lamps will have a number such as 830 or 942 on them, the first number denotes the CRI (Colour Rendering Index), this is a value with a maximum score of 100, if the number if 8** then it has a CRI of 80-90 etc....

The second two numbers are the colour temperature, 830 has a colour temperature of 3000K which is normal halogen lighting, 840 is 4000K which is a cooler light which you normally find in offices.

LEDs can have a very low CRI, especially if they are cheap! They don't all state the colour temperature / CRI in the same way as fluorescent lamps. You might already know this but I thought that it was worth mentioning!

Xir · 15th Jan 2013, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_Rude_Baboon

I ordered one for these for my mum last week. She has the traditional single fitting in the middle of the room and the current CFL is horrific.

40pounds for a single bulb....

A decent "energy saving lamp"...not a cheap rubbish one, is going to cost you under 5pounds.
You selected Philips, so, say a Philips Tornado.
Rated 20W equivalent to 75W incandescant, just like the LED one.

It uses 3 Watts more for 35pounds less...woohoo!

Waitm I've got a bulb here for you:

Xir · 15th Jan 2013, 18:30

seriously, it depends on the price...

Lets look at a 40W incandescant, as used for ambient lighting, besides the telly maybe.
That's going to be on long (good for energysavers), say 6 Hours a day.

you could replace that with a:
11W CFL costs ~1,5euros
8.1W LED cost's ~12euros.

The price difference buys me ~50KWh electricity.
That's 3W you're going to save...how many days can you let it burn for the price difference?
About 3000?...

I'd wait a year or two (unless you've still got incandescants...those you can use for the cellar or so*)

*My cellar has an average light burn time of ten minutes a week, not even the CFL pays off there

longweight · 15th Jan 2013, 18:52

CFL is a horrible technology and should be avoided at all costs.

Unicorn · 15th Jan 2013, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by longweight

/CRI snip

I have no problem paying that for fittings that are so perfect for what I need in the garage and on the workshop ceiling. I'm assuming the other angled ones for the bench will be a lot more!

Another great post full of even more very useful info!

Thanks to my several years as a flashaholic/LED light freak I'm extremely wary of 'Nichia blue' or just plain cool temp lights - I'm firmly in the neutral to warm white camp now

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14th Jan 2013, 23:41	#43
Unicorn Uniform November India Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 9,905	I mean vapour proof, individually switchable and not crappy looking with a poor level of diffusion. Basically, I mean something that looks modern, bright and is more functional than the standard 5' single tube (undiffused) fittings that I have there at the moment. Yes to LED, yes to IP65 and absolutely yes if they are well diffused and lower energy than the 5' fluorescents - I can make them individually switchable if necessary, it's not hard to install a panel mounted toggle switch in each fitting. Since I'm asking experts now instead of t'local electrical wholesaler down t'road, have either of you ever seen fluorescent fittings with a right angled body on them to fit into corners etc? Because I'm almost sure I have seen them, but cannot find them anywhere, online or from local wholesalers. [edit] Upon further inspection, those Toshibas look perfect if the right angle ones aren't available! Well played and thank you __________________ \|F@H Rack Farm Project\|†\|Server & Network Overhaul Project\|†\|Celica GT4 Project [PLANNING]\| Email Last edited by Unicorn; 15th Jan 2013 at 00:28.

15th Jan 2013, 00:10	#44
longweight GIFted Join Date: May 2011 Location: London Posts: 9,255	Something similar to these? http://www.designplan.co.uk/product/Uni_cell http://www.designplan.co.uk/product/Tuscan_II_LED __________________ Longweight's Mechanical Keyboard Guide!

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Unicorn Uniform November India Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 9,905	Yes, exactly! Although those are designed for prison cells Is there anything more "lab" oriented like that? __________________ \|F@H Rack Farm Project\|†\|Server & Network Overhaul Project\|†\|Celica GT4 Project [PLANNING]\| Email

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15th Jan 2013, 00:34	#46
longweight GIFted Join Date: May 2011 Location: London Posts: 9,255	Hmm maybe, I will have a think who else might do them. Could you not mount a standard IP65 batten on some 45 degree mounts? __________________ Longweight's Mechanical Keyboard Guide!

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Unicorn Uniform November India Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 9,905	I mocked it up a while ago, but unfortunately there's not a lot of space to do that, I just found these though, the angled version of which seems perfect. __________________ \|F@H Rack Farm Project\|†\|Server & Network Overhaul Project\|†\|Celica GT4 Project [PLANNING]\| Email

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longweight GIFted Join Date: May 2011 Location: London Posts: 9,255	I'm afraid not but most electrical wholesalers should be able to get hold of them for you. __________________ Longweight's Mechanical Keyboard Guide!

15th Jan 2013, 10:26	#54
longweight GIFted Join Date: May 2011 Location: London Posts: 9,255	No worries, if you need to find something a bit cheaper than the Toshiba then let me know. One thing to watch out for is the colour temperature and CRI of the LED / fluorescent. The fluorescent lamps will have a number such as 830 or 942 on them, the first number denotes the CRI (Colour Rendering Index), this is a value with a maximum score of 100, if the number if 8** then it has a CRI of 80-90 etc.... The second two numbers are the colour temperature, 830 has a colour temperature of 3000K which is normal halogen lighting, 840 is 4000K which is a cooler light which you normally find in offices. LEDs can have a very low CRI, especially if they are cheap! They don't all state the colour temperature / CRI in the same way as fluorescent lamps. You might already know this but I thought that it was worth mentioning! __________________ Longweight's Mechanical Keyboard Guide!

15th Jan 2013, 18:30	#56
Xir I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Saxony / Germany Posts: 3,596	seriously, it depends on the price... Lets look at a 40W incandescant, as used for ambient lighting, besides the telly maybe. That's going to be on long (good for energysavers), say 6 Hours a day. you could replace that with a: 11W CFL costs ~1,5euros 8.1W LED cost's ~12euros. The price difference buys me ~50KWh electricity. That's 3W you're going to save...how many days can you let it burn for the price difference? About 3000?... I'd wait a year or two (unless you've still got incandescants...those you can use for the cellar or so) My cellar has an average light burn time of ten minutes a week, not even the CFL pays off there __________________ SN25P A64 3700+ (San Diego) 2 GB DDR400 OCZ Platinum EL 2-3-2-5 1T X1800XT 512mb Sapphire 200GB Samsung SP2004C 24" Asus something 1920x1080

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