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Old 20th Jun 2016, 08:14   #81
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Chances are its fake anyway. I don't think they had the technology to do fancy rendered overlays with transparency effects in the 30s or 40s.
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No, it's real actually. The black-and-white Nazi propaganda film was recently shown on the BBC series Auschwitz: The Nazis and the Final Solution. Hence the English subtitles.











Probably where Farrage got his inspiration.

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Yup. Now the similarities with Farage's poster are striking. What is the chance that a Nazi propaganda film that was recently shown on the BBC would happen to resemble a photo of refugees used on a UKIP campaign poster?

I was only half joking when I said that Nigel Farage got his inspiration from the BBC programme. I think that he actually did. Which tells me that he found the Nazi film appealing. he found it a compelling argument and wanted to replicate it. A nice little glimpse into that man's soul.
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Yup. Now the similarities with Farage's poster are striking. What is the chance that a Nazi propaganda film that was recently shown on the BBC would happen to resemble a photo of refugees used on a UKIP campaign poster?

I was only half joking when I said that Nigel Farage got his inspiration from the BBC programme. I think that he actually did. Which tells me that he found the Nazi film appealing. he found it a compelling argument and wanted to replicate it. A nice little glimpse into that man's soul.
It kind of explains why Merkel took so many refugees into Germany.
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I have voted remain. I can find much fault with the EU can work at times, but I'd rather Britain was in, trying to change it that out having to live with it anyway.
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It kind of explains why Merkel took so many refugees into Germany.
I agree; Germany is still very aware of its history.

I also think there may be a personal twist to this: you may remember when at a public forum Merkel was confronted by an eloquent 14-year old Palestinian girl crying about her family's possible impending deportation after four years of living in Germany. Merkel tried to handle this difficult situation admirably (regardless of what the critics said, she was damned if she caved in and damned if she stayed tough) but it must have been a soul-searching moment for her.

But what was she to do? If she tries to be human and invites refugees into Germany she gets lambasted as an irresponsible softie; if she turns little refugee girls away she is a hard-faced bitch. It's tough making tough decisions...

As the New Yorker wrote about this incident:

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You can't have those contradictory psychological stances in a healthy, functional human being. Only sociopaths can split and encapsulate like that. That's the sucky thing about all these refugee crises: we stare into the abyss, and the abyss stares right back at us.
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Merkel together with the European Commission took a suicidal decision – to be kind, a spasm of irrationality - which will forever change the very fabric of German society and culture, by extension all of Europe since Germany is the heart of the continent. German history played no part in her decision anymore than meeting a 14 year old Palestinian girl, women are quick to emotion but there are limits even for them.

To call this a breach of trust and abusive of office would be an understatement, a betrayal of he German nation.

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Embarrassing moment for Gove - John Barnes denied supporting leave, he's for remain. Leave is in short supply of celebrities, still they can always count on Mike Read.
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Embarrassing moment for Gove - John Barnes denied supporting leave, he's for remain. Leave is in short supply of celebrities, still they can always count on Mike Read.
With the celebrity worship being what it is these days I'm sure the remain camp will boost its numbers, the leave camp could achieve the same if they could get some celebrities on board. It wont matter much what these celebrities say since most worshipers wont listen anyway, they just see their idol backing either leave or remain side and that's all they'll need to be swayed in either direction. It's what they will base their entire decision on.

Our Western civilization is great in many ways but the celebrity thingy is most definitely not its greatest achievement.
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That's what government is hired for, to first and foremost look after the best interest of the nation, that is its job, what the trust agreement is based on. You may not like it Nexxo, but that's what it all comes down too.
Apart from that for some people, "our people" does not necessarily include all citizens of their nation, how has nationalism and pure self-interest worked out for us in history?
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No, "undecided" option?
Nor on the ballot paper - I suspect they'd do quite well.

I'm voting Remain.

I've yet to find a single rational argument from the leave camp. I'm sure there must be some.
But on the whole they seem to prefer lies and xenophobic, emotive rants.
The atmosphere on their FB page was extremely poisonous.
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How has nationalism and pure self-interest worked out for us in history?
It's been the source of the rich cultural diversity the Europeans have enjoyed over the centuries and its' been instrumental in spurring innovations, artists, scientists, engineers, philosophers and explorers etc.

Sure there's been low points and you can judge the entire continent and culture on its lowest points in history - rather than its highest points – and when you do make sure to apply the same approach to other continents and cultures, as well as look at where we are today.

All things considered I would say that it has served us rather well.
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With the celebrity worship being what it is these days I'm sure the remain camp will boost its numbers, the leave camp could achieve the same if they could get some celebrities on board. It wont matter much what these celebrities say since most worshipers wont listen anyway, they just see their idol backing either leave or remain side and that's all they'll need to be swayed in either direction. It's what they will base their entire decision on.

Our Western civilization is great in many ways but the celebrity thingy is most definitely not its greatest achievement.
Who the hell is Barnes anyway. lol
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It's been the source of the rich cultural diversity the Europeans have enjoyed over the centuries and its' been instrumental in spurring innovations, artists, scientists, engineers, philosophers and explorers etc.
Do you and i have different understandings of what nationalism is? My understanding is that nationalism is the diametric opposite of what you describe, it's defiantly not a source of rich cultural diversity.
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My understanding is that nationalism is the diametric opposite of what you describe, it's defiantly not a source of rich cultural diversity.
Nationalism celebrates the nation, its culture, its history and looks after the best interest of the nation. Celebrating your culture assures both diversity and strong cultural identity, it's definitely a source of rich cultural diversity when sovereign nation states express it on a continental scale, and yes it's been instrumental in spurring innovations, artists, scientists, engineers, philosophers and explorers etc, in part also because of competition.


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Nationalism is based in the nation, national identity, that's not always the case with patriotism, though often times the lines are blurred.
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Sorry you initially said "It's been the source of the rich cultural diversity", now you seem to have changed that to "strong cultural identity" what one is it?

Are you getting patriotism and nationalism confused as what you seem to be describing is patriotism, nationalism is the extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries, something you seem to be contradicting with your claim of diversity.
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