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Old 20th Jan 2017, 18:07   #1981
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I'll now sit back and watch 20 million Americans lose their health care insurance. Make America sick again!
Any country that thinks access to a gun is more important and more worthy of defending than access to a doctor [or education, going by Trump's pick of Betsy DeVos for EdSec] is ****ed beyond help...
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But they need their AR-15s so they can shoot down government owned AC-130 gunships when the government goes full on tyrannical and turns against the people.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 18:19   #1983
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What, by imposing affordable health care and science-based education on them? Those monsters!
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Fox forgot that the global economy crashed just before Obama was voted in and took office. It also forgets that it was the American economy under G.W. Bush Jr. that caused it, partly by encouraging a debt-fuelled economy while blowing the budget surplus carefully built under Clinton on two devastatingly pointless and illegal wars (Afghanistan and Iraq) which would be the precursor to all the terrorist troubles in the Middle East.

But, you know, keep drinking the cool-aid.
You clearly know next to nothing about US economic history, or the causes of the 2008 financial crisis. What is of concern is that you actually believe what you have written. I suggest that you read about what happened, and lay off the cheap partisan stuff.

It is completely ignorant to try to suppose that the Democrats are innocent of any errors of judgement in respect of economic policy and that GWB caused the financial crisis. The roots of the financial crisis of 2008 are significantly more intricate than that. Policy-makers of all political colours, over most of the World's democracies made errors in regard to kind of legislation that governed the investment banking model that was common at that time.
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Looks like the official White House page has been updated, seems climate change has been binned.
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@t5kcannon, Maybe you need to update the wiki article then as it says...
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It began in 2007 with a crisis in the subprime mortgage market in the USA

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Well the sections on climate change, healthcare, civil rights and LGBT rights have already gone from what I can see.
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@t5kcannon, Maybe you need to update the wiki article then as it says...
Naah, it is easier to just put words in my mouth and then express 'concern' at my 'partisan' ignorance (I almost feel special).

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You clearly know next to nothing about US economic history, or the causes of the 2008 financial crisis. What is of concern is that you actually believe what you have written. I suggest that you read about what happened, and lay off the cheap partisan stuff.

It is completely ignorant to try to suppose that the Democrats are innocent of any errors of judgement in respect of economic policy and that GWB caused the financial crisis. The roots of the financial crisis of 2008 are significantly more intricate than that. Policy-makers of all political colours, over most of the World's democracies made errors in regard to kind of legislation that governed the investment banking model that was common at that time.
At no point did I mention the Democrats (not being 'partisan' about it). Fact is, the 2008 crisis started in the US, just after a period that the US was already clocking up significant debt with two expensive wars, which the Obama administration has been working hard since to get under control. Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying Bush caused the credit crunch, but his little wars certainly didn't help in dealing with it. Neither do I think that if McCain had won, the current economic situation would be much different.

Yeah, it's complicated and all, but to argue that Obama is to blame for the current mess as Trump's supporters are, is ludicrously simplistic, as Trump's supporters are.
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What, by imposing affordable health care and science-based education on them? Those monsters!
The benefit of having guns and unaffordable healthcare is someone can just pop a bullet in you when you become too sick.

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Ah, well...

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So it begins... I wish Canada was an island.
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I think that it can cut both ways.

First question is: why is Trump doing this? He's a multi-billionaire, he can afford to kick back on a sunny beach somewhere and do **** all with the rest of his life. Instead he has immersed himself in the most complicated, most wearing and hard-going political snake pit of a job in the world and he won't even take payment for it. Dude, WTF?

The reason he is doing this is because he is a narcissist looking for a legacy. It's not enough to be rich and famous anymore; he is looking for a meaning to his existence. He's got himself a dose of the idealism. Often the first step in people becoming better people is the aspiration and the belief that they can be. The flipside is that "being a better person" can be interpreted from a perspective of entitlement rather than humility.

Trump is no hard-core ideologue; he is pragmatic. This can be a good thing, in that he is not wedded to particular core beliefs that have no evidence base. It can be a bad thing in that he will do whatever he feels works for him at the time, without a consistent ethical or political framework. It can make him rather unpredictable and inconsistent and hence, untrustworthy.

I think which way he goes will only become clear over the next year, as it becomes clear to himself what his new role actually means. This is Trump's little journey of personal self-discovery (better late than never, eh?). He can have the realisation that his post could actually mean something and he may try to live up to that. Or he may chicken out and just con and blag his way through it. This could make him a man, or reveal him as a boy. Time will tell.
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