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Old 28th Feb 2017, 17:16   #2781
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The german total state budget is $350 billion for 2017 with a quarter of the US-population.

The US has a budget of $582.7 billion for 2017... only for it's military.

Sorry, but the problem isn't the $54b increase.

The US military budget is bigger then all of the next ten countries in the list together.

Let's talk about imperialism....
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Republican politicians tried everything to stop Obamacare ever being a thing in the first place, when asked to name an alternative they all blue screened and needed to be rebooted, so that they now can't come up with an alternative is one of the most obvious told you so moments of the Trump presidency.
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That $54b is probably how much it'll cost to fix the F-35.
Just one of them.

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Do anybody really think that the country will be more safe if they cut the CIA's budget and give the money to the military? I might be wrong but... you don't stop terrorist attacks with more tanks or more plane carriers, you stop it with inteligence.
No, but the electorate can see shiny new tanks and plane carriers that make them feel safe. It can't see intelligence (how do you think Trump got in?).
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Do anybody really think that the country will be more safe if they cut the CIA's budget and give the money to the military? I might be wrong but... you don't stop terrorist attacks with more tanks or more plane carriers, you stop it with inteligence.
no - you stop it by not meddling invading other countries when they do not follow your doctrine.

Iranian revolution wouldn't have happened if the CIA hadn't removed the democratically elected president and replaced him with the shah
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Just one of them.
As I said, that's to fix the F-35.
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That $54b is probably how much it'll cost to fix the F-35.
In many ways obsolete right from the get-go.

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The budget increase is most likely not to combat terrorism, but more to boost (Trumps standing among the military) the military to meet a possible future threat of the Red Dragon. China doesn't have a blue water navy to challenge the US navy with at this time. But she will. There's been some tension in the South China sea.

Before the war (WWII) England was THE major sea power and took it upon herself to guarantee freedom of movement/commerce/navigation on the high seas for all nations, after the war England was broke and the United States moved in and took over, or, if you will, carried on the tradition, of free movement on the high seas. China will soon be in a position to challenge that freedom of movement.

And since the US Navy fills the role of the Royal Navy (context given), China planning a blue water navy, could very well be the preparation for war.

One version, real or perceived threat remains to be seen.
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In many ways obsolete right from the get-go.



The budget increase is most likely not to combat terrorism, but more to boost (Trumps standing among the military) the military to meet a possible future threat of the Red Dragon. China doesn't have a blue water navy to challenge the US navy with at this time. But she will. There's been some tension in the South China sea.

Before the war (WWII) England was THE major sea power and took it upon herself to guarantee freedom of movement/commerce/navigation on the high seas for all nations, after the war England was broke and the United States moved in and took over, or, if you will, carried on the tradition, of free movement on the high seas. China will soon be in a position to challenge that freedom of movement.

And since the US Navy fills the role of the Royal Navy (context given), China planning a blue water navy, could very well be the preparation for war.

One version, real or perceived threat remains to be seen.
Its also the last throw of the dice for a dying empire....
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And since the US Navy fills the role of the Royal Navy (context given), China planning a blue water navy, could very well be the preparation for war.

One version, real or perceived threat remains to be seen.
It seems unlikely to me that China would go to war when it is well on its way to global economic domination. War is for failing nations.
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It seems unlikely to me that China would go to war when it is well on its way to global economic domination. War is for failing nations.
Same thing was said about Germany, then she began to build a navy that over time would have challenged the Royal Navy. Of course, the argument here could be made that the English (together with the French) actually set themselves out to destroy Germany, after all, before the German people united (1871) they were living in small independent states, then one morning the English and the French all the sudden woke up to a massive force of +40 million Germans living in ONE country working together as ONE, starting an industrial machine the English (let alone the French) could never hope to rival. Not just that, but Germany earned more Nobel prizes than England, France, and the United States combined. Germany was THE power house. Militarily, scientifically, and culturally.

In any case.
The United States has been THE global economic power yet constantly waged wars. China has not been in a position to do that.

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What actually prompted the Germans to unite was the Franko-Prussian war, a war the French had started because they were afraid of German unification. Unfortunately for the Germans this unification in many ways ultimately lead to their 'destruction'. Culturally, emotionally, spiritually, and morally. Took three wars though. Today they have been reduced to a nation of car makers, sure, nice automobiles. But that's pretty much it.

Divide et Impera. Hmm, the English ended up losing their Empire, and the United States took over.

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Well then, in your scenario it isn't China that starts the war but the United States. History repeats itself, this time China is perceived as a threat. With one little difference in outcome, China is not destroyed but the United States are, she loses all her influence and China takes over.

It's always interesting to play around with various scenarios.
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apparently from what I am studying atm, this is called trend investment, which is different from outright trading or gambling.

this is my logical if it goes Austria, 2017 election.

+ev bet imo if you understand she is +25 or more projected over the others in the first round, well who is telling what about the second round? same people that run the mass media today... lol yeah right you are.

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apparently from what I am studying atm, this is called trend investment, which is different from outright trading or gambling.

this is my logical if it goes Austria, 2017 election.

+ev bet imo if you understand she is +25 or more projected over the others in the first round, well who is telling what about the second round? same people that run the mass media today... lol yeah right you are.

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Wow. I'm more tolerant than most, but congratulations, you are now the first and only person on my ignore list. You obviously have zero morals whatsoever.
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Wo wo wo, let me get this straight. Trump is planning on ridding the Statue of Liberty to France and run for President there?! Or is it Hilliary running in France?

Also, you didn't bet 400.01

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Wow. I'm more tolerant than most, but congratulations, you are now the first and only person on my ignore list. You obviously have zero morals whatsoever.
keep your toys in your play pen please, there are semi developed adults here.
blood bath and destruction that has been France of late, a delightful women steps up and names and shames, and its wrong to bet for her to take the position of trump but in France?




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It seems unlikely to me that China would go to war when it is well on its way to global economic domination. War is for failing nations.
Not really failing nations IMO but failing governments, or at least governments that feel their grip on power loosening.

Looks like Trumps state visit maybe moving to October in the hope that peoples sentiment towards him has died down a little.

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He's the first (and only) one on mine. Saw no reason to continue reading his radicalised babble. Never appreciated a forum feature more.

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Also, you didn't bet 400.01
Someone's failed at trend analysis and is going to be 400.01 poorer...
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lol that's match betting - its a win win proposition as, another bet has been placed for her to lose!
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Never having been someone who understands betting and odds roughly how much would've RB placed on her to lose then?
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Apparently Trump managed to deliver a good speech to the congress and get ''back'' on track? This morning I read stuff like ''A man with a vision'' or ''the champion of Wallstreet'', so just like that he became President material overnight? Words mean jack **** if they're not backed by actions.
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That's the problem with Trump: He says one thing today and the total opposite tomorrow. Only an idiot would still believe anything he says.

The problem being, what nation would trust to enter any deal with him?
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People maybe hailing it as good speech but he lied his ass off, plus the way he's been conducting himself of late it's not much solace that what he said is being seen as an improvement.
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