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Old 5th Mar 2017, 20:12   #2901
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Agreed, but possibly not in the way you think.
don't be so sure about that - and no not ` because aliens`
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I can never quite work out if he is trolling or just a bit dim.
this is called `having a bit of fun`

In regards to the middle east - the schism in Islam happened pretty much as soon as Mohammed died as he left no designated heir. IMO , the closest ever been to uniting Islam was Saladin, as between him and king Baldwin of Jerusalem they had a very workable plan for both peace and dividing up the holy lands , with equal access for all of the Semite peoples. BUT , on the Popes orders, Reynald de Chatillon and Guy of Lusignan along with the Knights Templar put paid to that. I genuinely look back and wonder what would have happened if those 2 Christian fanatics had not wrecked everything.
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Yeah, wise master he say: whenever wise men achieve peace, some dicks come along and kick it all off again.
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BUT , on the Popes orders, Reynald de Chatillon and Guy of Lusignan along with the Knights Templar put paid to that. I genuinely look back and wonder what would have happened if those 2 Christian fanatics had not wrecked everything.
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only killing all of them , in 1 go, will solve it.
Do you see the irony of laying blame at the feet of one specific violent intervention vs advocating for another violent intervention?
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In regards to the middle east - the schism in Islam happened pretty much as soon as Mohammed died as he left no designated heir. IMO , the closest ever been to uniting Islam was Saladin, as between him and king Baldwin of Jerusalem they had a very workable plan for both peace and dividing up the holy lands , with equal access for all of the Semite peoples. BUT , on the Popes orders, Reynald de Chatillon and Guy of Lusignan along with the Knights Templar put paid to that. I genuinely look back and wonder what would have happened if those 2 Christian fanatics had not wrecked everything.
It wasn't the christians, the templars and the crusades that defeated the muslims, it was the work of muslim scholars like al-Ghazali around 1100 AD, who deemed mathematics the work of the devil and basically forbid all muslims to engage in science. That's when the muslim world stopped being openminded.

Ofc the crusades were very bad, but don't forget about the 2-300 years of constant attacks and raids by the muslims in europe prior to that and then another 2-300 of constant attacks and raids after the crusades. The muslims waged war in europe for some 600 years, enslaving anyone who didn't manage to escape.

If you start speaking history, don't forget to look at the whole picture.
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And above all, don't draw sweeping and superficial conclusions:

Read this take for instance on Al Ghazali's views on science.

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Great indeed is the crime against religion†committed by anyone who supposes that Islam is to be championed by the denial of†these mathematical sciences. For the revealed Law nowhere undertakes to deny or†affirm these sciences, and the latter nowhere address themselves to religious matters.
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Today you are free to accept everyone without criticizing, if you emit a complaint they'll brand you regressive left or a social justice warrior. It's unhealthy.
I don't know about you but I'm a libtard cuck. Comments on youtube said so, so it must be true.
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It wasn't the christians, the templars and the crusades that defeated the muslims, it was the work of muslim scholars like al-Ghazali around 1100 AD, who deemed mathematics the work of the devil and basically forbid all muslims to engage in science. That's when the muslim world stopped being openminded.

Ofc the crusades were very bad, but don't forget about the 2-300 years of constant attacks and raids by the muslims in europe prior to that and then another 2-300 of constant attacks and raids after the crusades. The muslims waged war in europe for some 600 years, enslaving anyone who didn't manage to escape.

If you start speaking history, don't forget to look at the whole picture.
Whilst I agree that it was around 100 that islam turned away from science at that time , I do believe that your falling into the academic trap of both naming the wrong person , please look for Nizam al-Mulk , and also ignoring the cause of the shift, which was little to do with Christianity.
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And above all, don't draw sweeping and superficial conclusions:

Read this take for instance on Al Ghazali's views on science.
Yeah, and the cherrypicking begins again.

Also note, that I wrote scholars like him, which includes the whole lot of scholars at the turn of the century, who wanted to see to it, that the religion superseeds all other things.
Out of this increase in religiosity comes the decline in scientific work, as it was alot easier to say
"because allah..." then to actually take the scientific approach.

I'm against all religion to play any meaningful role in the world of today. Religion, like Nitzsche said, is truly working like an opioid, numbing the brains of the people, stopping them from thinking for themselves.
In the western world we became more and more succesful, the more we left religion behind us and became secular instead. There's a reason for that and you can best observe that in the USA, where there's large populations of very religious people. These religious people aren't going to invent the new technologies that will guarantee a prosperous economy in the future, quite contrary they'll actually try to prevent them, by not allowing science to be tought in school.
That's exactly what happened in the muslim world allmost 1000 years ago. Religion became more important than science and the prosperity vanished.
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