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Old 30th Sep 2016, 22:38   #81
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Trumps just the figure head for the antiestablishment/ antiglobalisation movements across pretty much every western democracy. Even if he doesn't win it's still going to continue and someone else will take his place.

I think it's mainly down to how fast life and technology is changing, the whole School-one job-house-marriage-kids-retirement no longer exists and that frightens folks. Especially the older generation as demonstrated by the brexit vote.
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The older folks shouldn't be scared by this, the younger people should, as they won't have this stable lifestyle anymore.

Unemployment yor the youth is on record-highs throughout the western industrialized world and even the low-wage jobs are heavily fought for by people with higher degrees.

Immigration is needed, because our birthrates are too low, but on the other hand there aren't even enough jobs available for the people that are allready here. It's a paradox that can't be solved within the current system.

It's no wonder that the mainly young white male demographic is voting for someone like Trump in that situation.
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He references a lot (in that video) the failing Business aspect of America. Here they are from 3:38min.

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Yeah, turns out running a ten-year war in Iraq and Afghanistan is rather expensive. Who knew?

BTW here's another Trump video.
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The older folks shouldn't be scared by this, the younger people should, as they won't have this stable lifestyle anymore.

Unemployment yor the youth is on record-highs throughout the western industrialized world and even the low-wage jobs are heavily fought for by people with higher degrees.

Immigration is needed, because our birthrates are too low, but on the other hand there aren't even enough jobs available for the people that are allready here. It's a paradox that can't be solved within the current system.

It's no wonder that the mainly young white male demographic is voting for someone like Trump in that situation.
Perhaps, but being scared won't solve anything.

Youth unemployment is so high because of the poor education system failure to evolve and keep pace with job trends. To some extent a lack of hard work by workers generally to keep up with learning further compounds issues.

I think future historians will look back on this period as one of "Technological" revolution, a little like the industrial revolution. Jobs will change and people will be left behind as old industry's die and new ones take there place.
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He references a lot (in that video) the failing Business aspect of America. Here they are from 3:38min.

A perfect example of why measuring debt in actual numbers is highly misleading, it's why economists use % of GDP.

I always get lost with whose on what side (Republican or Democrat) and what side of the political spectrum they are however when looking at Americas Historical debt levels the debt to GDP ratio seems seems to typically go up when the Republican are in power and down when the Democratic are, now i just have to look up what side Trump and Clinton are on.
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trump has been a successful Business man and is trying to bring those tools to the role, what has Hillary done successfully other than lie cheat steal oh and build up a RIP list 200 deep.




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Perhaps, but being scared won't solve anything.

Youth unemployment is so high because of the poor education system failure to evolve and keep pace with job trends. To some extent a lack of hard work by workers generally to keep up with learning further compounds issues.

I think future historians will look back on this period as one of "Technological" revolution, a little like the industrial revolution. Jobs will change and people will be left behind as old industry's die and new ones take there place.
Keep sticking your had in the sand. The poor education has absolutely nothing to do with the high rates of unemployment. You'll allways have the majority of people not fit enough for high-tech jobs.
Also, you can't have a working economy purely based on the service-sector. You need atleast 20% of the jobs in manufacturing to make the economy work, otherwise you get the situation you see in all the former wester industrialized countries. The service-sector doesn't add to the trade-balance.
So yeah, engineers are nice, but only aslong as there's people actually building the stuff the engineers come up with... in your own country that is.

The only thing that actually creates wealth is the production of physical things to use by the people. Everything else is build upon these jobs.

Look at Germany. They're doing well, because they didn't outsource all their manufacturing-jobs, but kept alot of them in the country.
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trump has been a successful Business man and is trying to bring those tools to the role, what has Hillary done successfully other than lie cheat steal oh and build up a RIP list 200 deep.
I needed a laugh, thanks.
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Yeah, that's why Trump has suffered four bankruptcies and still owes a lot of debt.

But running a country is not quite the same as running a business, doncha know? People keep falling for that myth because it is an idea appealing in its simplicity. But the real world is not simple.
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The older folks shouldn't be scared by this, the younger people should, as they won't have this stable lifestyle anymore.

Unemployment yor the youth is on record-highs throughout the western industrialized world and even the low-wage jobs are heavily fought for by people with higher degrees.

Immigration is needed, because our birthrates are too low, but on the other hand there aren't even enough jobs available for the people that are allready here. It's a paradox that can't be solved within the current system.
Just wait until every last pension system in western countries collapses due to increasing lifespans...

Three or even four generations simultaneously in retirement may well happen this century.
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Four generations simultaneously in retirement? How long are you taking as a "generation"?
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Look at Germany. They're doing well, because they didn't outsource all their manufacturing-jobs, but kept alot of them in the country.
Correct.
A people who cant make anything can't buy anything, that is the nature of trade. A nation needs a strong manufactured based economy.
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Just wait until every last pension system in western countries collapses due to increasing lifespans...

Three or even four generations simultaneously in retirement may well happen this century.
Yes, that's a huge problem, but it isn't to be solved by more young people, when there's no jobs available for them.

Anyways, back to the upcoming election...

There's alot about Trump you can make fun of and he's for sure not the greatest businessman alive, who just happened to inherit alot of money. However Hillary isn't any better imo, as she's allready done all the things people are afraid Trump wil do.
A little history-lesson...
Hillary did heavily campaign for criminalizing the young male black population back in the 90s. She spoke about building a stronger guarded border to Mexico back then aswell, she even used the word "wall". She voted in favour of all the wars in the last two decades. And the only reason, why she's not prosecuted for her eMails, or her corruption while holding state-office is, that the current FBI-chef and the attorney general are old buddies of hers, working for her and Bill as attorneys. And ofc Obama is backing her up or the DNC would implode.

I can't laugh about either of them candidates, as both are totally unfit to be PotUS. For me the question is really about who'll be more harmful to the system, so that people might get fed up enough to actually vote somebody like Sanders or Stein into office in the following election.
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I can't fault your logic, and I expect that if Trump becomes president be will basically be neutered by congress and senate, but history shows that disappointed people simply vote for an even worse extreme. Although Obama won after Bush, so there's that.

What we can depend on is that business will find a way to get its way. The real politics happen at the Bilderberg meetings.
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Its unfortunate that people get taken in by videos like those. Neither of them say anything of importance. Its just drivel that isn't backed up by anything.
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Doesn't that sum up politicians though?

What amazes me is with the plethora of information available in this modern era that people seem more ill-informed than ever before.
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