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Old 27th Nov 2016, 15:50   #61
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The ECJ stated that the snoopers' charter is compatible with European law but that there should be limits and safeguards to ensure its appropriate use for criminal investigation only (and not e.g. whether you paid your TV license).
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 15:54   #62
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As ridiculous as it sounds, I'm pretty sure not paying for a TV license if required is a criminal offence.
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Old 27th Nov 2016, 16:24   #63
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As ridiculous as it sounds, I'm pretty sure not paying for a TV license if required is a criminal offence.
IIRC it is still a criminal offence... There were attempts to get it bumped down to a civil offence, but i don't think anything ever came of it...
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Thought they were done with increasing spying?

Yeah no.

They are already working on getting companies to spy on us more too:

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Is it only me wondering why this isn't getting more coverage in, and i hate this term, the main stream media.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 09:08   #67
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Is it only me wondering why this isn't getting more coverage in, and i hate this term, the main stream media.
Because most people understand as much about the tech aspect as the people saying it.

IE: **** all.
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Looks like 150k people are going to be disappointed now the petition for this bill to be debated in parliament has been refused, apparently they've talk about it to much already.

Maybe they missed the part of the bill that compels state officials to lie in court, although I'll admit I'm not sure of what the implications of something like that would be.
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Says it all really.
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Found this podcast on soundcloud where 3 guys talk about their concerns about the snoopers charter, maybe interesting to some people.
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Looks like the snoopers charter has been dealt a blow.
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“General and indiscriminate retention” of emails and electronic communications by governments is illegal, the EU’s highest court has ruled in a judgment that could trigger challenges against the UK’s new Investigatory Powers Act, the so-called snooper’s charter.

Only targeted interception of traffic and location data in order to combat serious crime is justified, according to a long-awaited decision by the European court of justice (ECJ) in Luxembourg.
I guess a good reason to be getting on with leaving the EU is because of this...
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The result, though significant, could eventually prove academic once the UK has withdrawn from the EU and the ECJ no longer has judicial authority over the UK.
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They will get the ISPs to put the logging into an end user agreement and you will be left with a private company doing something as part of their business, rather than government snooping. The government can then do some "targeting" of "serious" crime by investigating people randomly.
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Getting the user to sign away their rights when taking out broadband would certainly work however that wouldn't (afaik) cover public WiFi, communications coming in from EU IPs to UK IPs, along with other stuff that i can't think of ATM.

Maybe our MPs think they can delineate the UK internet and UK data from the rest of the world, I'm not sure they realise how data on the internet doesn't obey geographical borders, well unless you want to create a UK intranet.
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Well, North Korea managed to create their own intranet, and is doing just fine.

Or perhaps the UK can go it like China. It will end up owning most of the UK's infrastructure anyway, so that's quite convenient.

EDIT: fun fact: the case that Theresa May's government just lost at the ECJ was brought by David Davies when he was still a backbencher.
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Looks like the snoopers charter has been dealt a blow.
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“General and indiscriminate retention” of emails and electronic communications by governments is illegal, the EU’s highest court has ruled in a judgment that could trigger challenges against the UK’s new Investigatory Powers Act, the so-called snooper’s charter.
Only targeted interception of traffic and location data in order to combat serious crime is justified, according to a long-awaited decision by the European court of justice (ECJ) in Luxembourg.
I guess a good reason to be getting on with leaving the EU is because of this...
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The result, though significant, could eventually prove academic once the UK has withdrawn from the EU and the ECJ no longer has judicial authority over the UK.
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The compass of the May government for the Internet:

Who do we want to implement blocks? Everyone.
What content do we want to block? Everything.

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The Digital Economy Bill (DEB) has a lot of people worried, driving many to take up VPN subscriptions to try and give them the privacy that the bill would strip away. It looks like the matter may become ever more complicated though, as the government looks to pass the buck, leaving innocent websites caught in the crossfire, no way to complain.
The DEB was initially intended to help improve internet access speeds across the UK, but was co-opted by amendments in the latter part of this year, to enforce age checks on any site showing nudity or ‘porn,’ as well as threaten with ISP level blocks if they don’t comply. However when it comes to “ancillary websites,” like Reddit and Twitter, responsibility for those blocks may be forced upon the sites themselves, rather than ISPs.
As was highlighted in the House of Lords during a recent debate, demanding that Twitter be blocked at the ISP level would make politicians “look like idiots.” What this means however, is that the government, or rather its appointed regulatory body for this matter, the BBFC will demand that sites like Twitter do the blocking itself. That means blocking individual Twitter accounts, simply because they showed nudity.
http://www.kitguru.net/channel/jon-m...lary-websites/
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Good luck with trying to enforce that with websites based abroad.

I wonder how the UK will position itself as the champion of free trade and make itself an attractive base for new foreign business while at the same time putting its internet access under heavy restrictions.
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Good luck with trying to enforce that with websites based abroad.
Going on what I've read it seems they plan to work with ISP to block sites that don't comply, they already do it with sites who provide databases of material that infringes copyright, although some people have questioned how they're going to tackle social media sites that apparently have users who post links to pornographic material.

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I wonder how the UK will position itself as the champion of free trade and make itself an attractive base for new foreign business while at the same time putting its internet access under heavy restrictions.
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I'm not sure that blocking popular and much-used sites like Facebook, Twitter et al is going to quite convey the image of a hands-off liberal free market government open to global business. Unless companies will, like MPs, get special exemption.

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As the Snooper charter goes live today i thought I'd mark the occasion with what i consider a well written blog post for anyone who still thinks the "nothing to hide" argument holds water.

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Of course, serious crimes do occur. But as commentators have pointed out, it’s not the lack of intelligence data that allows these crimes to occur, but usually a lack of resources that make it increasingly harder for police forces to deal with the volume of cases in front of them.

We might wonder, then, why the government would prefer to spend billions of pounds on implementing this bill instead of investing in more police resources.
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The right to privacy is a fundamental one that most people understand intuitively. We know that it’s wrong to read someone’s diary or to eavesdrop on a sensitive conversation, and it can be a criminal offence to open another person’s mail. Why then, have we grown so apathetic as to allow the indiscriminate surveillance of all of our communications by a government that repeatedly acts to serve its own interests?

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