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Old 25th Jan 2017, 12:14   #5721
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The NHS is no longer for the English people but for all of Europe as well as for third world migrants who come to help themselves to its service. Doctors have to process an endless stream of patients which means they have to spend less and less time on each patient before moving onto the next patient which in turn lowers the quality of care etc. I can see why the NHS is on its knees. It is being overwhelmed. But hey, at least its 'free' giving everyone that needs it quality care. But for how long.
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Are we talking about the same NHS that's been spending roughly the same per capita on health care for the last 5 years despite an increasingly aged population, the same NHS that's seen it's spending as a percentage of GDP shrink in the last 5 years and spends almost half that of the privatised health care system in America?

And are we talking about the same migrants that make up a teeny tiny amount of the NHS budget, or the same migrants that make up 5% of NHS staff?

Maybe you need to be more specific Walle as we've been told not all migrants are the same, apparently there are good and bad migrants, or maybe you need to stop reading the dailyfail.
No, no, I really value the informed opinion of a guy all the way over in Russia telling me how the health service in which I work every day (and am a service lead and budget holder --and another one of those darned EU immigrants) actually functions.

It is almost as good as reading the informed analysis of Daily Fail and The Excess readers whose closest familiarity with the NHS is covering A&E with their puke after a drunken Friday night out on the town.
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Old 25th Jan 2017, 13:18   #5722
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First I was Belgian and now, for some reason, I'm apparently Russian. Haha Love it.

Now. Even if I were in Russia. Which I'm not. That wouldn't' necessarily have made me Russian.
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Old 25th Jan 2017, 13:19   #5723
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I never said you were Russian; just that you were all the way over in Russia.

But OK, where do you live? Cotswolds?
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Old 28th Jan 2017, 13:31   #5724
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Say goodbye to the NHS, by the way.

Yup, taking back control...
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reminds me of a book I`ve been recommended - Cracked by James Davies
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Old 28th Jan 2017, 13:45   #5726
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Quick anecdote: my daughter got something lodged in her tonsil last week, and it wasn't shifting. Concerned that it could cause breathing problems - plus the fact that she was, y'know, in screaming pain - we whipped her up to the A&E. We were in a bed within a minute of entering, seen by a junior doctor within five minutes, a senior doctor in ten minutes, and then had one-on-one time with an ENT specialist for about an hour five minutes after that - most of which was spent trying to convince my daughter to open her mouth and let us stick the forceps in after an initial attempt to dislodge the foreign body failed in a painful way.

No evidence of an 'endless stream of patients' clogging up the halls, or 'third world migrants' taking up doctors' precious time with their horrible foreign illnesses from which they should just have the common decency to die.. This, too, from the city critics (read: racists) call Bradistan.

But hey: like Nexxo says, I'm sure a foreigner knows better than we the state of our national healthcare system.
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reminds me of a book I`ve been recommended - Cracked by James Davies
As an aside, James Davies touches on just one side of the equation. The other is a pathologising of people's suffering in a ****ed-up dog-eat-dog society characterised by deprivation and inequality, rather than admitting that perhaps the free market capitalist system is not only not working, but actively harmful. It's easier to throw some magic happy pills at people than to admit that perhaps this is an insane society and we need to drastically change things from the ground up.

I happen to know of a particular mental health service where practically all team members are on anti-depressants. A survey of a few years ago showed that nearly 50% of staff are depressed. And this is just the staff, not their clients...
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The usual state of affairs, in my experience, is to sit in the waiting room for ****ing hours, regardless of your discomfort.

The only time in my entire life I have been attended to with any haste in hospital was when I arrived at A&E with blood literally pouring from a wound. Presumably because it saves them time on cleaning up afterwards. Screaming in pain upsets the natives, so that'll bump you further up the waiting list too.
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Regardless of your discomfort, A&E is attended also by people at Immediate Risk of Dying (who knew?) and they tend to get priority. Pain is survivable. Death, by its nature, is not.

A&E staff are not a bunch of indolent wastrels leaving you to suffer while they are playing Candy Crush Saga in the back office. They are run off their feet. If you don't like the waiting times, remember who to vote for next time.
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The usual state of affairs, in my experience, is to sit in the waiting room for ****ing hours, regardless of your discomfort.
Must admit this has been my experience too, even when a+e had been empty.

Not due to swarms of people.
Not due to staff incompetence [though i'll admit I do wonder if a couple of them did actually attend medical school].

But due to the NHS Trust's constant need to be seen 'improving' the place... it means at any given moment about 25% of the hospital is shut due to whatever 'improvement works' their spunking their money away on this week.

The constant building work also means that unless you go there in an ambulance, good luck actually finding the a+e or the entrance to it.

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It's Texas Hold 'em at the local a+e... and they aren't very good at it either


EDIT: Joking aside the local a+e has always been decent whenever I've needed it... my GP surgery on the other hand... is genuinely ****ing useless...
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Say goodbye to the NHS, by the way.

Yup, taking back control...
Something like that won't happen over night, it took 25+ years to sell off most of the UK's social housing and it will probably take just as long, if not longer, to sell off the NHS.
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Something like that won't happen over night, it took 25+ years to sell off most of the UK's social housing and it will probably take just as long, if not longer, to sell off the NHS.
We've been saying goodbye to it for as long as I can remember...

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if Bevan himself looked at his creation and went 'y'know what... this is a bit of a mess... we should probably scale this back a bit...'
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Well, as long as it lasts the next ten years until I can retire. After that people can take what they voted for.
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Regardless of your discomfort, A&E is attended also by people at Immediate Risk of Dying (who knew?) and they tend to get priority. Pain is survivable. Death, by its nature, is not.
Thanks for stating the ****ing obvious.
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A&E staff are not a bunch of indolent wastrels leaving you to suffer while they are playing Candy Crush Saga in the back office. They are run off their feet. If you don't like the waiting times, remember who to vote for next time.
Reading between the lines of your priggish sarcasm and condescension, I get the impression that we are least in agreement the waiting times are an issue. It's just a pity you can't say as much without being a dick about it.
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From where I'm sitting you were sounding a bit like a dick about A&E staff.
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Assuming nexxo hasn't been deported or burnt at the stake as the anti-christ by then...

Black, European, Looks better in a red dress than they do... he'd be first in line...
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