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Old 30th Mar 2017, 21:07   #6721
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Old 30th Mar 2017, 21:22   #6722
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He better get used to the taste of strong coffee. There is a long road ahead...
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Old 31st Mar 2017, 12:12   #6724
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That's OK: the UK is holding all the cards.

It's just a pity that the game being played is chess.

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Old 31st Mar 2017, 15:41   #6725
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I find this image rather adept considering all that's going on.

I can't blame the Scots from wanting another referendum, they're being pulled out of the EU even though they voted to remain is a large majority.

I'd also be a cruel taste of irony if they were to have a referendum and vote to leave the UK and then treat Westminster with the same contempt and lack of civility that we currently seem to be treating the EU.

We won't guarantee rights for EU nationals and we are threatening to no longer contribute our security services to the EU (GCHQ intel etc).

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Looks like Gibraltar's head is on the chopping block.
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After lobbying from Spanish diplomats, a clause has been inserted in the EU’s draft Brexit negotiating guidelines that appears to allow Spain to exclude Gibraltar from any transitional single market access arrangement or future trade deal with the UK if it is not satisfied with the status of the territory.
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Looks like Gibraltar's head is on the chopping block.



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Of course you can have dual sovereignty with the UK over Gib - as long as Catalan is allowed independence.....
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oh wow:

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Matthias Machnig, the German deputy economy minister, called for a “reasonable framework” in tax and regulation, and warning “a race to the bottom in tax and regulation matters would make trade relations difficult”.
Making threats isn't going to end well for anyone
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Of course you can have dual sovereignty with the UK over Gib - as long as Catalan is allowed independence.....
The thing is Catalonia isn't a disputed territory.

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Making threats isn't going to end well for anyone
We started it first by threatening to lower corporation tax to tempt companies to leave the EU.

It was the main reason for setting up things like the WTO and the common market, they wanted to prevent trade wars because they have a tendency to turn into real wars.

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Sorry, didn't Philip Hammond first utter threats on that issue on 15th January?
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We used to have a hard border but the front fell off

This question:
https://youtu.be/gWOfTz3xq6s?t=100

Reminded me so much of this:
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which has Nothing to do with Germany at all
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The thing is Catalonia isn't a disputed territory.
Tell that to the Catalans....



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It was the main reason for setting up things like the WTO and the common market, they wanted to prevent trade wars because they have a tendency to turn into real wars.

Europe is overdue another war if you look at history (before anyone jumps in , no I am not advocating that at all)
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The dialogue is reported to have gone like this:

Krichbaum said: "You won’t be able to survive, trading conditions will not be in your favour."

Sir Bill retorted: "Yes we can. We’ve been doing it for generations. We have a multi-billion-pound trading deficit with the EU: you run a multi-billion surplus*. You need to sell us your cars and trucks. What do you take us for? Do you think we are incapable of running our own affairs?"

Krichbaum then allegedly stated: "There is the question of tariffs."

Sir Bill replied: "You’re not threatening me, are you? There is history between our two countries. We have had to battle for our freedom over the last century. We should not and will not be governed by EU majority voting dominated by Germany."

Sir Bill Cash can always be relied on to not mention the war.



So tell me how Kirchbaum mentioning in a private conversation the plain fact that a UK outside the single market is subject to tariffs, is a threat by the German government to the UK government?

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Europe is overdue another war if you look at history (before anyone jumps in , no I am not advocating that at all)
Apparently so, because some people seem to have forgotten the whole point of the EU.



* There is another example of Brexit's ****ed-up thinking. Apparently having a trade deficit is a source of strength, and a trade surplus is a source of weakness. What, then, does this say for Britain's FTA bargaining position with the US with which it has a surplus?
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Well you've since took out the Ricky Gervais gif laughing at using the daily mail as a source. But I'll leave these here since I spent all of two minutes finding them:

https://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost...9&postcount=24
https://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost...postcount=6390
https://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost...postcount=2865
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The daily mail was the first link from google , whether or not you agree with it as a source is beside the point - it is a cited course.

Remember who took the UK surplus from the 1990`s and spent it all? Mr Tony Blair.

For all of her `bad` points , Thatcher ran a surplus for the bulk of her tenure, and Major got it back after the recession ; that part cannot be refuted, its the how they did it that's the bone of contention.

As for your tiny writing , I merely raised a counter point to yours - that's this `spat` is ongoing for a number of years, therefore is nothing new.; but it does begger the question - who released a so called private conversation , and what was the motive behind it.
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Well you've since took out the Ricky Gervais gif laughing at using the daily mail as a source. But I'll leave these here since I spent all of two minutes finding them:

https://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost...9&postcount=24
https://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost...postcount=6390
https://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost...postcount=2865
Notice how all these links mention a factual source for the information, not just the Daily Mail's own spin on things.

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The daily mail was the first link from google , whether or not you agree with it as a source is beside the point - it is a cited course.

Remember who took the UK surplus from the 1990`s and spent it all? Mr Tony Blair.

For all of her `bad` points , Thatcher ran a surplus for the bulk of her tenure, and Major got it back after the recession ; that part cannot be refuted, its the how they did it that's the bone of contention.
Kind of missing the point there, but what you say is not quite true.

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As for your tiny writing , I merely raised a counter point to yours - that's this `spat` is ongoing for a number of years, therefore is nothing new.;
Well, then nobody is making threats; it's all just the usual rhetoric, no?

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but it does begger the question - who released a so called private conversation , and what was the motive behind it.
More to the point: what was the motivation for publishing it?
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Tell that to the Catalans....
Seeking independence is a very different thing than territorial disputes, there's not another internationally recognised country that claims ownership of Catalonia.
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