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Old 13th May 2017, 15:05   #7641
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Yeah, 'cause it's immigrants causing all that stuff, right? So once the UK gets rid of immigrants, it'll get rid of poverty, disease and death. And crime. And queues. And bad weather.
Italians smuggling sunny days to the UK in their luggage identified as #1 threat to national security, May calls for ban of pasta.
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Italians smuggling sunny days to the UK in their luggage identified as #1 threat to national security, May calls for ban of pasta.
Pasta countermeasures are dubbed "Antipasto" by Home Office.
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Italians smuggling sunny days to the UK in their luggage identified as #1 threat to national security, May calls for ban of pasta.
The new healthy eating guidelines just reads 'We'll have none of that foreign muck here'.
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and obesity and bad teeth....
And bunions. Those things hurt like hell, and it's all the immigrants' fault.
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No, the far bigger issue was that NHS is running Windows XP, without extra support contract (mentioned above), without patches etc.
See, I always thought that the NHS had opted for the full three year extension (which was only ever offered to very large organisations with enough licenses/license agreements in place). Apparently not... Even if they had that in place though it would have still expired last month.
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More victims of the attack, Nissan and Renault.
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I find that I can't get a job at the Department for exiting the EU either. Neither can I get a job as an FBI agent unless I am American.
I was curious and took a look. It seems that they are applying the same rules as for FCO posts which isn't that extreme as if the department hadn't been created this would have sat within the FCO.

From the look of it the UK is far more liberal on nationality requirements for the civil service that the EU if Harlequin&s source is accurate.
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I was curious and took a look. It seems that they are applying the same rules as for FCO posts which isn't that extreme as if the department hadn't been created this would have sat within the FCO.

From the look of it the UK is far more liberal on nationality requirements for the civil service that the EU if Harlequin&s source is accurate.
Once the UK has left, it will be a third country. That this would affect employment prospects in the EU civil service should not come as a surprise. I am absolutely stunned how at every turn the UK seems to react with shock and surprise at what "out" means, considering that it has been repeating the mantra "Out means OUT" for the last ten months.

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Let's assume yes on both counts, or the reference wouldn't have been made. In fact, I am almost sure that Harlequin didn't photoshop that image himself, so other people out there are making the same connections here.
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it has been repeating the mantra "Out means OUT" for the last ten months.
But but but they pinky promised that it would come with breakfast
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Once the UK has left, it will be a third country. That this would affect employment prospects in the EU civil service should not come as a surprise. I am absolutely stunned how at every turn the UK seems to react with shock and surprise at what "out" means, considering that it has been repeating the mantra "Out means OUT" for the last ten months..
So the EU blocking recruitment for candidates​ from a country that I tends to leave in 2 years is equivalent to the UK, um, not changing their nationality rules now but probably making changes until after they leave? Dr?
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The EU is not blocking recruitment of candidates from a country that is leaving in two years. Recruiters have merely pointed out to this UK student that there is no point in aspiring for a EU job which she would qualify for once she completes her studies in a years' time, when a year later her country will not be an EU member anymore.

This is a particular issue as the reciprocal status of UK and EU citizens working in each other's territories is as yet highly unclear.

They also advised her to stay in France after she graduates so she can apply for French citizenship two years later. This would allow her to pursue her EU career as planned. Given how tricky the issue of reciprocal rights is likely to get, that sounds like good advice to me. Certainly most UK citizens living and working in the EU are already doing the same.
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The entire problem , and sadly 1 which only potentially can strengthen May`s hand , is the disparity of `ex pats` living in EU countries. One which sadly directly effects Nexxo. The figures given are around 4.5 million , with 2/3rds being EU nationals living in the UK. This is the first block as the EU wont to sort our the nationals rights (which they want to include the ECJ), whereas the UK want to walk away from the ECJ.

Next is the payment for contracted services, or divorce bill as the media put it, if the politicians keep publically throwing out ever higher numbers , that will do neither party any good from those who vote to keep them in their jobs; unless your an EU official as the public don't vote for you anyway (strong and stable remember).

Finally the EU have voiced about the peace agreement and how assurances (coupled with the ECJ) are in place. The problem here will be simple - agreements about the peace process were started before the EU and didn't involve them , so in a way they are involving themselves in another countries internal political affairs. Will they be involved and supportive with Catalan?
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The entire problem , and sadly 1 which only potentially can strengthen May`s hand , is the disparity of `ex pats` living in EU countries. One which sadly directly effects Nexxo. The figures given are around 4.5 million , with 2/3rds being EU nationals living in the UK. This is the first block as the EU wont to sort our the nationals rights (which they want to include the ECJ), whereas the UK want to walk away from the ECJ.
Well, there was a meeting about that on Friday. Although UK and r-EU MEPs largely agree that the issue should be dealt with as a priority, the UKIP MEP of course chose to state instead that Article 50 was bollocks and the UK should just walk away and who is going to pay for the vested rights of all those EU citizens in the UK, then? Way to set the tone.

The situation is in fact hideously complex. What about EU citizens who are married to UK citizens and have children who are UK or EU nationals? What if one of those parents dies? What if they divorce? What if the elderly parent of one needs to come living with them? What if they leave the country for work for a few years and then wish to return? What about health and social care entitlements? Pensions? EHIC? S1 arrangements? There are many more issues, about 25 of them, and May has not given them a single thought.

May has been talking a good talk about wanting to sort out these reciprocal rights ASAP, making the EU sound unwilling, but these conspicuous words are as usual not backed up by any action (an old trick of hers: loudly proclaim one thing, quietly do the complete opposite). Since the UK decided to leave, she could have made the first guarantee, right? But in fact Theresa May plans to throw UK citizens in the EU under a bus, so she can do the same with EU citizens in the UK. She plans for all of them to simply be treated like third country immigrants. No vested rights, no nothing. That's why she thinks it can be done and dusted by June.

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Next is the payment for contracted services, or divorce bill as the media put it, if the politicians keep publically throwing out ever higher numbers , that will do neither party any good from those who vote to keep them in their jobs; unless your an EU official as the public don't vote for you anyway (strong and stable remember).
It is the UK media that keeps throwing out ever higher numbers. Barnier refuses to be drawn on this.

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Finally the EU have voiced about the peace agreement and how assurances (coupled with the ECJ) are in place. The problem here will be simple - agreements about the peace process were started before the EU and didn't involve them , so in a way they are involving themselves in another countries internal political affairs. Will they be involved and supportive with Catalan?
The problem is anything but simple. Moreover as the UK is leaving the Single Market and Customs Union, there will by necessity be a customs border between IE and NI. Ask Vipersgratitude why the return of a hard border would be bad news.
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................But in fact Theresa May plans to throw UK citizens in the EU under a bus, so she can do the same with EU citizens in the UK. She plans for all of them to simply be treated like third country immigrants. No vested rights, no nothing........................
That looks so like a wild assertion without any basis thrown in the middle of a more reasonably argued point.

Lets look at the practical politics of this. Yes seem that the referendum showed that voters seem to be worried about immigration. Some might rationally point out that in their trade or sector, migration from the EU has increased competition and help wages down, some as they are just afraid of the future in general. But what showed in polling and when questioned in general is that there are very few people that want the specific EU immigrants that they know day to day "sent home" as funnily enough, they actually have plenty in common with them after all. So while bashing immigration is seen as a way of pulling UKIP voters to the conservatives, anything that resulted in actual deportations of EU nationals that are working here would not go down that well at all.

People may go on about the Daily Mail, as if it controlled the "vast ignorant masses" and I'm sure it is pretty hysterical at times, but if you lay aside the cliche of the red faced mail reader foaming at the mouth over the lasted EU special, I would still hold that there is a general sense of decency here and the country at large would not stand for the forcible removal of huge numbers of people that as individuals are part of their communities.

You may think less of people here or not, but I don't think they are monsters and I don't think they are in thrall to the Mail editorial team either.
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Let's assume yes on both counts, or the reference wouldn't have been made. In fact, I am almost sure that Harlequin didn't photoshop that image himself, so other people out there are making the same connections here.
Well Orwell was taking about communism as that was main form of totalitarianism at the time he wrote it but what is the connection you are implying? Other than there is a government here that you don't agree with? They don't control the media, the security services are busy enough with people that are trying to blow us up. Okay there isn't much of an opposition at the moment, but that's their choice, not the fault of the Government.
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Well Orwell was taking about communism as that was main form of totalitarianism at the time he wrote it but what is the connection you are implying? Other than there is a government here that you don't agree with? They don't control the media, the security services are busy enough with people that are trying to blow us up. Okay there isn't much of an opposition at the moment, but that's their choice, not the fault of the Government.
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