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Old 19th Apr 2017, 13:41   #41
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I'll be deeply disappointed if someone doesn't use the slogan 'Make June [8th] the end of May'...
I'm afraid the entire internet beat you to that one shipmate: https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl...the+end+of+may
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 13:45   #42
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Glad I'm not the only one looking forward to seeing the back of Corbyn - I've always had a suspicion he's happy to be an anarchist and exploit his position to spend every breath criticising the Tories, but has as much substance as a celery stick when it actually comes to leading a party (let alone a country).

I have no problem holding my hand up and saying I abstain in every election, because frankly I don't care what colour tie or badge someone wears, I only care about what they say, and I have yet to hear anything other than by-the-numbers cookie-cutter promises, petty counter-arguments and blatant question dodging from EVERY SINGLE candidate in my adult voting life.

You put a politician in front of me that can answer a yes/no question without spewing 35 words of bollox and i'll put a tick in a box.
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 14:24   #43
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As my fans will know, I don't tend to participate in politics and elections, and don't expect to this time round either.

But I can't help observing that, at least from where I'm sitting, it seems the mainstream media has almost uniformly suppressed Corbyn's Labour - I mean, there's barely any genuine stories about him/Labour in terms of what alternatives they're suggesting. The only stuff that gets aired is the stuff intended to undermine him. Virtually nothing on policies, but oh look, here's Corbyn posing next to a toilet.

So maybe Corbyn is indeed spineless/useless and has nothing worthwhile to offer, but I get the sense that that's not necesssarily the case, but because his Labour represents a step back from the political movement of the past 30 years, something more genuinely socially motivated as opposed to economically motivated, almost the entire media machine is working to ensure that movement doesn't gain any significant momentum with the public.

But like I say, I'm almost beyond the periphery on this sort of topic, so happy to be corrected, but so far, all I'm seeing is anti-Corbyn rhetoric.
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 14:35   #44
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anti-Corbyn rhetoric.
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"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."
I'd also say the fact he voted against the whip 617 times goes a fair way to show why he isn't taken seriously.

Blairism only worked because it appealed to the aspiration/chattering classes, and said it was OK to make money. Until a Labour leader takes a similarly center-ist view, they are unelectable.
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 14:52   #45
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Voted Passed: 522 For, 13 Against.

Thought against would definitely be higher.
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 15:02   #46
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Thought against would definitely be higher.
Me too. It's like the entire House of Commons has just bent over, ready and willing...
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 15:22   #47
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I note the SNP abstained, wouldn't it be great if the SNP mp's had some gonads and did not obey, without question, the orders of Sturgeon, they are embarrassing. The way that the SNP behaves in the the chamber generally by showing that they cannot have any other opinion except that of Nichola Sturgeon.
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Glad I'm not the only one looking forward to seeing the back of Corbyn - I've always had a suspicion he's happy to be an anarchist and exploit his position to spend every breath criticising the Tories, but has as much substance as a celery stick when it actually comes to leading a party (let alone a country).
I agree about Corbyn. I think he lacks backbone and integrity. I would trust him as far as I could throw him. The only problem I have is 99% of the other MP's share the same traits (or lack of) too. Really don't know who I will be voting for, I'll have to look into the independents standing for my constituency.
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The narrative from Corbyn is very good - BUT , he is the wrong person to deliver it ; a centre left Labour would be a good option , a `new left` is not
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The narrative from Corbyn is very good - BUT , he is the wrong person to deliver it ; a centre left Labour would be a good option , a `new left` is not
It shouldn't be in 'serious' - I started the post here on purpose. Start one in serious if you want a non-light hearted chat about it.
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Now we're waiting for a strong majority to be elected that doesn't fold to the terms of the EU in the Brexit-arrangements. We need the UK to make an example, so that other countries can follow it's lead and end this disaster called EU. Give me back my ETC.
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It shouldn't be in 'serious' - I started the post here on purpose. Start one in serious if you want a non-light hearted chat about it.
Indeed, however I'm not sure about the light hearted thing, I've been told MPs don't have hearts and some of them are anything but light, apparently it's all those three course meals.
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And voting for halfwits who couldn't organise a piddle up in the proverbial brewery just leads to more of the same.
Which is why I'll probably vote for Plaid Cymru this time, because they did exactly that to launch this year's local elections manifesto.
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